California Researchers Raise Concerns About ‘Thirdhand Smoke’

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS 5) – You’ve heard of the damaging health effects of smoking and secondhand smoke. But what happens when the smoke settles?

According to scientists, smoke literally sticks around for a while, as something they are calling “thirdhand smoke.”

Karolyn Ballard learned about it the hard way. Her new apartment had been painted and scrubbed, carpets cleaned. What she didn’t know was a heavy smoker just moved out.

“I woke up at night,” Ballard said, “and I could just smell the tobacco smell getting worse every night. It was like it was just oozing out of the walls.”

“It can be a real problem,” said landlord and professional ServPro cleaner Paul Watts. His crew wears protective gear to scrub a smoker’s house, to prevent nicotine poisoning.

“It’s a very long, slow process. And it has to be cleaned off before you can put paint, or else it’s going to bleed through the paint,” Watts said.

We’ve all smelled “thirdhand smoke” in places such as bars and stale hotel rooms. Now scientists are beginning to study it.

At Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, a chain-smoking machine puffs away on eight cigarettes at a time, depositing smoke residue on various materials so scientists can study the fallout and chemical reactions.

Researchers Mohamad Sleiman and Lara Gundel say nicotine is the gift that keeps on giving. The residue hangs around for weeks or months, they found, sticking to everything from clothes to carpets to kids — long after the smoker has gone.

“It’s really difficult to get rid of the smoke that is impregnated in the surfaces,” Sleiman said.

But that’s not all.

“What we have found is that residues of tobacco smoke will get more toxic with time,” said Gundel. More toxic as nicotine reacts with other household gases and chemicals, or gets taken into the lungs as dust.

“And those particles are teeny particles,” said Gundel. “And they’re very irritating. They’re more irritating than nicotine or cigarette particles themselves.”

In another groundbreaking study, San Diego State University professor Georg Matt tested apartments after smokers moved out and non-smoking families moved in.

“We find these compounds in some apartments, six months, maybe even a year or longer,” said Matt.

Even after the apartments were cleaned and painted, he found nicotine all over, including on the hands of non-smoking adults. Most disturbing, Matt said he also found signs of nicotine in the urine of children.

“This child, as well as the adults, are likely to get exposed to tobacco smoke that was smoked in that apartment months ago,” Matt said.

Scientists say children’s exposure to thirdhand smoke can be 10 times greater than adults’, because of their small size and their tendency to put things in their mouth.

“Our concern about children is that they can be exposed to these carcinogens through their skin and through breathing and eating dust,” said Gundel.

What are the health effects from thirdhand smoke? No one fully knows because it hasn’t been studied yet.

But researches such as Georg Matt say they do know this, “You can’t just open the window and it goes away.”

“When you live in an environment like this, you cannot escape it,” Matt said.

According to one experiment, even though airborne toxins from thirdhand smoke are about a hundred times less than from secondhand smoke, those exposures can add up over time.

CBS 5 asked tobacco industry leader Phillip Morris about thirdhand smoke. The company declined to comment.

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  1. Wyostk says:

    california…. nuff said.

    1. Dr. Bombay says:

      These are the same morons injecting mercury, squalene, aborted retina fetal tissue, detergent and aluminum into their child from the vaccines they give them.

      http://911essentials.com

      1. Dr. Kenneth Almonbottom says:

        Just because you put Dr. in your name doesnt make you one. Look at non-fear mongering information on vaccines. Or are you scared that they contain products from mouse brains as well. PS There is more mercury in a can tuna than a vaccine

      2. RichC says:

        That may be true, but no one forces me to eat tuna.

      3. CitizenofUr says:

        And unlike not getting vaccinated, not eating tuna doesn’t harm other people. It’s a scientific hypothesis, and like most a good one, that second-hand smoke is dangerous. It’s not a fact. It is an absolute scientific fact however that your failure to vaccinate against communicable diseases puts entire communities at risk.

      4. Liz says:

        There may be more mercury in a can of tuna than in a vaccine, but we don’t feed tuna to 3 week old babies either. The assault on their immune systems by so many immunizations so young in my opinion has caused a lot of the problems with asthma and the increases in sudden death syndrome for infants.

      5. TomB says:

        I guess this “Dr” hasn’t read about how the vaccine to autism study was a complete fraud conjured up by that doctor in order to kill off all current vaccines. All the while while secretly making back-room deals with pharmacutical companies in order to get in on the new and “improved” vaccines that would take their place once outlawed.

      6. slobo says:

        Are you a chiropractor?

      7. Liz says:

        I so agree !!

      8. DavosJavos says:

        The problem with most MD’s is they know absolutely nothing about biochemistry and never will.

        http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=max%20rafelson%20&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=ws

        He was biochemist and a MD and went to Cal Tech and Cambridge or physics.

        Dr. Kenneth Almonbottom please send your information and Google links.

    2. bob says:

      Yes let’s ignore medical research from the state that’s provided the lion’s share of technological innovation this country, and indeed the world, over the last fifty years.

      1. Heartland Patriot says:

        Do you mean the same state that is slowly strangling its innovation and industries to death with over-regulation and taxation? The same state that would rather give its taxpayers’ money to illegal aliens than to return some of that money so it could be reinvested or spent on big ticket items? The same state that darn near killed its forestry industry? The same state that elected a former crooked governor as its new governor during an economic crisis? The same state that is LOSING population, if you don’t count the illegal aliens moving there? Is that the state you mean?

    3. stongteamaker says:

      SIXTH HAND SMOKE KILLS MILLIONS EVERY WEEK.

      I have data that proves sixth hand smoke is killing more people than are killed by age. Why is the US Government supressing my data and warnings. Americans are suffering from the smoke that smokers exhailled in the 1930s before cigarett filters were invented.

      1. macbaldy says:

        Actually, most “second-hand smoke is first-hand. Most chain smokers will take about four or five puffs from a cigarette, letting it burn on its own for the rest of time. Sure, they’ll light up again soon after they finish one but their puff count doesn’t change much. This means that the cigarette smoke is mostly directly from the burning tobacco, without passing through any filter, without being partially filtered by the smoker’s lungs. First-hand smoke, not second-hand is what heavy smokers will bequeath to their surroundings. This is a very easy observation to make, in enclosed places where smoking is still allowed.

  2. JWS says:

    They’ll eventually discover fourth hand smoke, which will constitute somebody just knowing that a smoker had been in the same place as them.

    1. joam651946 says:

      That is true JWS! But let’s you and I go on with this theory of your’s! How about even going farther and saying (second hand smoke #) 5&6&7&8&9 & Etc. &Etc.? Because then we can say that I knew a smoker who they knew a smoker and they knew a smoke Etc. Etc.??? Now we could end up with thousands of “HANDS” smoke damage?? (Stupid Huh?) I like your input theory though! I see your point! Hope you see mine? These people as “WE’ see have nothing to do but come up with a different version of the same thing? Does seem to be redundant? Kind of like saying “IT” is a poison! WELL! “IT” is a poison no matter what you injest it with! So if a poison is a poison is a poison? As nicotine is a poison! Why worry about how many ways it is a poison? Seems redundant to tell of all the different possibilities of what to injest a poison with and then go on to list all possible concoctions only to ultimately say “IT”S” still POISON!!!

      1. Joe says:

        i understand what your saying but i don’t think you get the point here. This could be a break through and have smoking banned all together. We know what 1st hand smoking is OBV, yes? 2nd hand would be someone within the same area as someone smoking to smell and inhale. This 3rd hand smoke is the chemicals and nicotine left in the room on tables, couch, cloths, etc etc that will linger on for months and months at a time to poison more people that come within that area months later not knowing a smoker has smoke a cig there 4 months ago.

      2. JWS says:

        Until empirical evidence can be presented that this “third hand smoke” (and second hand, for that matter) is detrimental to the health of anyone but those with an allergy to it, asthmatics, and such, this whole article is what professionals in scientific fields (me, for instance) call “baseless conjecture”. Laws should never be passed on what the ignorant think might be possible.

      3. Justin Dean Job says:

        im suing all the big tobacco companies now

    2. DG101 says:

      What about fifth hand smoke, that’s talking on the phone to someone that is smoking.

      1. tnmccoy says:

        I agree. I’ve seen in movies where a caller can squeeze water through the telephone line and squirt the other fellow in the face. So, tobacco smoke should be easy. Far more dangerous drugs are coming over our porous southern border, but the government ignores it for the most part, otherwise the troops would be there for inspection of EVERYTHING. Spend money and lecture the peons where it’ll do the most good. If cigarettes are so dangerous, BAN THEM! But they won’t. Why? Because of tax revenue. The various governments make too much off of big tobacco. If everyone gave up smoking a lot of governments would go under immediately.

    3. Dave says:

      Have you smelled your tap water lately? How many 16th hand chemicals are in there? Ever tried to understand how many times the water you drink has already been through the gut of another living creature – especially those cities who get most of their water from rivers…?

      So agree with the apartment owner that you won’t move into a dwelling where smokers have previously lived.

    4. morgana99 says:

      You call this article baseless, but I don’t see where it presents anything but a concern, and the testing you’d like to see was there, just testing if these things exist. Nowhere in the article does it say that there is any known health risk. This article is what it is, most of these talkbacks address projected information (information that is NOT actually in the story) I DO think its funny they tested how it sticks to several materials, then they listed things it sticks to and included kids! I doubt that kids were test subjects🙂

      1. Heartland Patriot says:

        The problem with the TESTING is that the nature of the tests are often skewed to get the result they are looking for…like with DDT, where they fed rats THOUSANDS of times the amount that anyone would be exposed to, EVER in a lifetime, to make sure the rats had problems…lower doses didn’t do it, so they ratcheted it up until they got problems…then obscured that fact…and the result was the banning of a VERY effective pesticide…a lot of folks have died from mosquito born diseases that wouldn’t have died IF DDT had continued to be used as before that “study” was published. I’m not saying smoking is good for you, in the least. Just that these “scientists” are not all that concerned about people and ARE really all about research grant money and will hype anything that gets them paid…and since we all know smoking is bad, its an easy target.

      2. Senlin says:

        Because junk science always starts with a “concern,” which morphs into a “link.” The “link” is referred to by the media as “cause.” By then the grandstanding politicians are off and running, the grad students are sucking up grant money better spent elsewhere, and the bureaucrats and “public advocacy” nomenklatura are stigmatizing honest corporate and individual citizens. Check the headlines — diet drinks cause strokes.

    5. joym says:

      You made me laugh out loud!

      This article is so absurd. Guess everyone will have to leave all historic buildings cause people have been smoking in them for centuries.

    6. Heartland Patriot says:

      Wouldn’t fourth hand smoke be that which someone saw in a movie or TV show, and FIFTH HAND smoke would be knowing OF a smoker? And sixth hand smoke would then be the THOUGHT of someone smoking…

    7. icetrout says:

      Or Pre-Smoke where just thinking about smoke will produce brain tumors :O

  3. ed wood says:

    “It can be a real problem,” said landlord and professional ServPro cleaner Paul Watt
    This guy doesn’t have a vested interest in scaring the public.
    If cigarettes are so lethal, how in the hell are Americans living longer than ever?
    How did anyone who lived years ago when smoking was widespread in America ever live beyond the age of 50?

    1. Larz Blackman says:

      Wow. Your lack of logical reasoning is astounding. In fact, everything you said is so confused, that it would take me 10 minutes to sort it out for you, and that’s time I don’t want to lose.

      1. ted marple says:

        No,
        he’s right and you can’t think of a rebuttal

      2. Bill says:

        Larz: John Wayne chain smoked and lived to be 77. He was obviosuly around 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th hand smoke. James Fixx ran marathons all the time and died much younger. Pete Maravich played basketball all the time and he died younger. Cigarette Smoke is not necessarily the most evil thing in the world.

        It ceratinly doesn’t take me 10 minutes to figure out Ed Wood’s comments. If it takes you 10 minutes to figure out Ed’s comments then it is no wonder that you are led like a sheep by the media promoting this story. BAAAAAAAAAAAAA

      3. Bill, No says:

        John Wayne died at 72, but I know the Duke always enjoyed a good third-hand sniff

      4. kimmy says:

        what’s the life expectancy of us boomers ? Most adults smoked when I was growing up. We should all be dying in our thirties, maybe forties, I would think. FYI, I don’t smoke- I can’t stand the smell of it and I’m sick of renting apts. / condos where tenants are not permitted to smoke inside. so they always congregate outside in noisy groups filling the community air with smoke !!! Keep the smokers inside their “homes”.

    2. Ed says:

      Well
      1. By percentage we have the lowest smoking rates ever.
      2. Medical technology has advanced to a level that allows us to detect the diseases/conditions caused by smoking early enough that treatment can be effective.
      3. 400,000 deaths each year are directly attributable to smoking – that’s more than 7 times the number who die on our highways.
      4. While smokers are living longer than ever due to advances in medical technology, their life expectancy is significantly lower than those of non-smokers.

      1. C'mon says:

        Blah blah blah, you really take all the fun out of dying of lung cancer. You build houses on statistical sand

      2. Chas says:

        Are you kidding me? What are we going to do about Diabetes while we’re at it? 233000 deaths per year!!!! Let’s tax the hell out of snacks and fat people too and then tell them they can’t eat in public but we’ll take their tax dollars.

      3. Observer says:

        >400,000 deaths each year are directly attributable to smoking < What precisely does this mean? Does it mean 400,000 smokers and at what age do they die? And how much longer would they have lived? I'm sure the 2nd hand smoke fiction is included in this number. Would these people live forever if they didn't die at age 92 from third hand smoke? Can we get a grip here? Statistics don't lie but liars use statistics. Next we'll see a wholly objective "government sponsored study," like the 2nd hand smoke fraud perpetrated by the EPA.

      4. Heartland Patriot says:

        BULL! When they say someone died of smoking related illnesses, all they really do is if the person smoked and they passed on of say, a heart attack, they tie it to the smoking. We don’t know if that person’s family had a history of bad tickers, or if there was another causal factor. Its like the whole more likely to die from a gun thing…when they want to make guns dangerous, they add in all the deaths of criminals by criminals, homeowners, etc. And then they say law abiding firearms owners are now more at risk from their own firearms based on those skewed statistics…its all political and monetary…I’m not saying smoking is good for you, just that the hype is in the stratosphere and its BULL!

      5. cwc says:

        It depends on your genetics. My grandmother lived till her mid eighties and smoked 60 years. My mother is in her mid seventies and has smoked since she was 16. I don’t ever her about the millions of tons of toxins coming out of cars everyday and causing health issues. Furthermore, none of our dogs have ever died of lung cancer due to second hand smoke.

    3. no time for you says:

      Duh Ed alot less people smoke now!!

    4. sceptic09 says:

      don’t panic Ed. This “doctor” doesn’t have tenure yet. This laughable theory may help him hang on until job security arrives. He needs to not fear for his future to study these “teeny” particles, I don’t think we can see them! He may also be appearing on the professional expert witness list in California’s tort friendly court system. Everyone is always working their own angle, obvious to all who admit their own first.

    5. Joey brazullo says:

      Please! He has to wear gear for fear of nicotine poisoning? Come on!!

      1. Heartland Patriot says:

        IF they have a machine smoking EIGHT cigarettes at a time and trapping the residue in a container, and they continue to do this over a lengthy period of time, it could be hazardous. Nicotine DOES affect the nervous system…the tobacco plant uses this to kill insects. However, I learned that the “poison is in the dose”…take in too much water and it will kill you, too…yet you need water to live, right? I’m not saying in the least that anyone needs nicotine to live, and I’m sure they are correct in stating that it is bad for you, AT SOME LEVEL…they are just taking this business too darned far…you’ve got places banning smoking OUTDOORS! And not because of littering from butts, no its to protect folks from second hand smoke! Simply outrageous hype.

    6. T.Paine says:

      ServPro cleaner….think about it

  4. Your Neighbor says:

    Oh, Baloney !

    1. Your Neighbor says:

      (I mean) 3 rd Hand Smoke, is Baloney.

      1. mimmio says:

        What? Third hand smoke is baloney??? I was raised on baloney sandwiches. Does this mean I will get lung cancer????

      2. HeckSpawn says:

        No, you’ll only get baloney cancer. But first you have to roll up the baloney and smoke it.

        And baloney is notoriously hard to light…

  5. joe says:

    Probably more wasted stimulus money financed this idiocy.

  6. Scudbuster says:

    Bush’s fault.
    It’s Kalifory don’t ya now.

  7. Aqua Budda says:

    What about fifth hand smoke?

    Seeing someone on TV smoke a cigarette can be deadly!

    1. I get it says:

      ha ha yes they now won’t show someone smoke in the movies. Only someone who is ready to light up once in awhile and then get the lecture and throw it down. They show people taking drugs though, snorting coke, heroin and pot and the rest. They show sex and extream violence and that is okay. but don’t show a cigarette.
      Give me a break.
      Control freeks make money on this.

    2. Bob says:

      I once THOUGHT about seeing someone on TV with a cigarette. I think I may have lung cancer.

      1. Jim M says:

        You’re suffering from post traumatic smoker syndrome. Sue the TV producer. Also sue the drug company who produces the anti anxiety drugs you will soon be prescribed. What the heck, sue George Bush too. He’s probably a friend of the Marlboro cowboy.

      2. Jim M says:

        I forgot to mention. Be sure to only eat your medical marijuana.

      3. jaom651946 says:

        @Bob That is the funniest comment on this page Bob!! You are a “RIOT”!!! Please don’t be defensive about “a riot”? In my younger days and times that means/meant? You are a BLAST to both mean “VERY FUNNY!!!

  8. Susan says:

    Shouldn’t these “scientists” be devoting their valuable time to trying to resurrect the global warming scam?

  9. FlyTom says:

    They have been wanting to control what you do in your own home for a long time. This is just greasing the skids. The larger government becomes the more it strives to become larger. You will begin to see government funding of these types of political agendas masked as “studies”. And the “data” they manufacture will be used to claim more control over the public. This is the same template used for the global warming hoax.

    1. We the Sheeple says:

      Global warming a hoax? Are you saying I painted the roof of my house white for nothing?

    2. Skeptical says:

      You’re right FlyTom. They get data on nicotine levels from non-smoking families who live in the cleaned up apartments formerly occupied by smokers. Who says those family members are not exposed to nicotine elsewhere, that they don’t have family members or friends that smoke. This is just so bogus. And I bow to no one in my dislike of smoking/the odor of cigarettes, and have lost loved ones to lung cancer, as well. But I’ve also seen relatives smoke like chimneys and live to be 90.

      Once they’ve eradicated third-hand smoke from our lives, will they outlaw fireplaces or barbecue grills?

  10. Fvck off says:

    This is the dumbest article ever!

  11. tbrad01 says:

    Oh my god!Me and my family stayed at hotel that was a smoking room!!!I am calling the doctor now and setting up cancer screenings now for everyone.I am very scared for my pets now as I may have brought carcinogens home and poisoned my pets,I better call the vet too just to be safe.

    1. Edgy Old Dude says:

      Actually you need to call your lawyer. Isn’t that what this is all about?

  12. nonsmoker chemist says:

    Bull Sh…nicotine has a boiling point of about 247 deg C. It’s not going to come out of walls through a coat of paint.

    Why don’t these guys do something really useful like prove that “medical” pot is a danger to society.

    1. James Stutsman says:

      WHY SPEND THE MONEY DISPROVING MEDICAL MARIJUANA…….POT HAS KILLED …….ZERO. I AGREE THAT THIS WHOLE “8TH HAND” SMOKE THING IS A BIT MUCH……BUT EVEN CALIFORNIA HAS LONG BEACH – AN ARMPIT OF A CITY WHEN IT COMES TO DIESEL EXHAUST.

    2. Common Sense Experience says:

      The ambient temperature need not be above a compound’s boiling point for it to bleed through paint. ANY water-soluble compound is likely to bleed though. If you’ve done any painting with latex paints, you know that stains come right through. ANd putting more coats of paint on doesn’t help, as the compounds re-dissolve and come through the latest layer. I’ve washed tobacco-stained walls multiple times before painting and still found it wasn’t all gone or covered up.

      All you have to think about is the nicotine in the urine of the children to realize they shouldn’t be forced to be consumers of this toxin.

      1. Pappy Knows Best says:

        A simple fix: “Oil Based Paint.”

  13. LibsAreCommies says:

    More Leftist “science” designed to further an agenda… Ho-hum…

    1. Red Man says:

      “Conservatives are Nazis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      1. JWS says:

        Everybody that disagrees with non-thinkers like you is a nazi.

      2. lara says:

        Red man, why do youbelittle yourself with childish statemente? The Nazi part died more than fifty years agao, They killed millions of people. Really , is this the best you have? Rookie, go home and tell you mommuy you need a nap and have no manners at all. Maybe she will send you to kindergaden to learn proper manners.

      3. ed w says:

        Red Man: You’re a dunce for your comment!

      4. mkde says:

        Nazis were socialist you dope and therefor far more like liberals than conservatives. Stupid libs are a joke just like Nazis they want the government to run everything and everybody.

      5. reed13 says:

        In point of fact Nazi’s were National Socialists – who believed in a strong centralized government with a managed economy. They were also racial supremists.

        From Wikipedia (w/reference note): “They declared support for a nationalist form of socialism that was to provide for the Aryan race and the German nation: economic security, social welfare programs for workers, a just wage, honour for workers’ importance to the nation, and protection from capitalist exploitation.[18].”

        This sounds more like today’s hard union leftist stance than a U.S. conservative one.

        True U.S. conservatives believe in smaller government and less governmental control. In addition, the republican party was the party of Lincoln and supportive of desegregation when the south was largely in Democratic hands in the 60’s.

        So overall your equation does not compute.

      6. Huh? says:

        @reed13, I agree with some of what you say, but your description of “true US conservatives”, as believers of smaller government and less government control, is problematic. Firstly, the War on Drugs, arguably a conservative movement, has hugely expanded the role of the federal government in our everyday lives, cost society untold billions, and resulted in hundreds of thousands of violent deaths. Further, the military industrial complex, finding its main support in conservative circles, is also a moneypit into which trillions are poured every year – all in the name of keeping the country safe but which has acheived the reverse.

        Along with your reference to Lincoln, who ignored the constitution and drastically increased the role of the federal government in the lives of the individual, these conservative items are really just big-government movements implemented under false pretexts of security and moral indignance. We can see in both liberal and conservative lawmakers a concerted effort to undermine the constitution and expand the scope and breadth of government. Whether you call it a creature of socialism or fascism or conservatism or liberalism, if it has its boot on your neck and is robbing and enslaving you, what difference does it make what you call it?

  14. Smoker says:

    These damn people in Cali need to leave us alone and go stuff burning charcoal in their pants.

  15. Airdoc says:

    I’m going to sue CBS, I just got sick from looking at the picture of the lit cigarette!! This is just more an agenda from the anti-smoking crowd.

  16. really says:

    Nocotine is a natural product of our brain. Our body produces it, so I’m sure sitting on your couch at night in a home previously owned by a smoker won’t do anything. Just one more news article meant to scare stupid people.

    1. Em1111 says:

      Nicotine is not produced by your brain. Where did you ever get such an idea? Tobacco company propaganda perhaps?

  17. justavoter says:

    Our president, has spent more money than all the presidents before him combined and these people are complaining about third hand smoke. Do these people have a life at all? If the apartment was covered in smoke, then why did the woman rent it to begin with? If it was as bad as she claims when she inspected the apartment why would she rent it. Once she painted the apartment there is no way the smoke could came through the paint unless she had no clue what she was doing. Everybody knows you prime before you paint. Only a paranoid liberal democrat could think of something so far fetched as this. I think the biggest impact to our country is how these people are always looking for something to sue to make a buck off hard working people.

  18. frosteetoes says:

    This is bulls*it! There is no hard science to back up any of this. Liberal colleges? Oh yeah, THEY don’t have an agenda.(sarcasm) There are more carcinogens in a non smoking climate controlled room than in your home with a smoker. And ask any baby boomer who grew up during the 1950’s and 60’s if their parents who smoked caused them health problems.

  19. tpgow says:

    Agin they use children as their base. How come nobody ever mentions the fumes coming from buses and trucks on city streets. Bloomburg stopped smoking outside in NYC in certain places. It disapates in the air but bus and truck fumes keep coming. WHAT PLANET DO THESE PEOPLE LIVE ON? TOBBACO IS A LEGAL PRODUCT. TAKE IT OFF THE MARKET IF THEY ARE SO CONCERNED. Just another way to extort more money for a product. When are people going to fight back?

  20. Cookie says:

    Junk science at its best. OMG, “found signs of nicotine in the urine of children”, are you serious? If you eat a tomato or eggplant or any other solanaceous plant species you’ve ingested nicotine. How can these people pass themselves off as “scientists”?

  21. davenjan says:

    If this liberal claptrap is true, then the White House will need to be de-contaminated by a hazmat crew due to the fact that Obama is a smoker.

  22. JMWinPR says:

    To my knowledge, no one has yet discovered if “first hand smoke” causes cancer.
    There is certainly a great deal of anecdotal evidence, but that is all. If anyone has better info please post it.

    In one of my earlier smoking cessations, I quit on New Years, I tried the clothes on the following year, of course they didn’t fit, but they did smell of smoke. dry cleaning solved the problem. Same with cars etc, open the windows clean with an OEM recommended cleaner, problem solved. This seems to be a replacement scam for the declining lead paint/asbestos removal folks.

  23. Harry Obrian says:

    Who’s paying these researchers to come up with this stuff? Scare tactics or they’re just trying to create jobs by usurping the ignorance of the general populace. Can’t you just see the ads now “Enroll in SmokeCleaners college and make millions” or will these be more ‘hack’ government jobs??
    So let’s see, the value of your home in Ca is relative to how many people have smoked in it?? Well then what about all the 3rd hand POT smoke that these researchers are obviously being paid to smoke.
    While sunshine may be good for you I believe these Californian socialists are baked.

  24. Tax Slave says:

    Great! A new way to weasel out of a lease!

  25. Harry Obrian says:

    Can’t you just see these socialist elite researchers reading these posts and just turning their nose up at them as Pukelosi reaffirms their pathetic existence? The earthquake can’t come soon enough.

  26. chery ldefelice says:

    don’t you know it’s for the children!

  27. sickofit says:

    We’re all gonna die!!!!!!!!(Someday!)

  28. eristic says:

    It’s the 12th-hand smoke that scares me.

    1. Smoker says:

      I know,,,How many times can the sky fall ???

  29. Jennifer in Michigan says:

    I can’t believe every single one of these comments trivialize this problem. I’m a respiratory therapist, and I can attest to the fact that children with asthma or other breathing problems like bronchitis are most definitely affected by third hand smoke. I have seen asthma attacks occur simply because a parent who went outside to smoke a cigarette came back in and picked up and held the child, whose airway immediately went into spasms because of the smell of smoke on her clothes and hair. Scoff all you like, but this is a real problem.

    1. HoHa says:

      SURE It is.. By the very fact that you are in the medical field we know to ignore you.

      1. Super Duper Dude says:

        I hope you ignore your doctor too, when he tells you you need chemo. One less moron in the world.

    2. The Old Smoker says:

      Are blowing 3rd hand smoke up my ass?

    3. Harry Obrian says:

      Yes, it is probably a problem for those with respiratory afflictions whose numbers have increased dramatically as smoking has decreased dramatically over the past decades, but it’s not the cause of those afflictions. While asthma definitely provides you job security I would rather see researchers like this focused on the cause/cure of asthma instead of being paid to state the obvious. I believe I’ve read that babies whose mothers unselfishly breast feed have a much less chance of becoming asthmatic.

  30. Hank Warren says:

    After this sutdy, there will be more and more gov’t restrictions on smoking, yet another violation of our rights. Add it to the list of gov’t violations of our right:
    They violate the 1st Amendment by placing protesters in cages, banning books like “America Deceived II” and censoring the internet.
    They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns.
    They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by molesting airline passengers.
    They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars for foreign countries.
    Impeach Obama and sweep out the Congress, except Ron Paul.
    (Last link of Banned Book):
    http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000190526

  31. vegasdomar says:

    My wife was from Frisco and gives thanks everyday she moved out over 45 years ago. Her father still lives there and is a typical weirdo along with his nice weirdo wife. It has to be air or water related. Can’t explain the reason for the limp wristed
    feminine pseudo men, and females that act like men from the days of real men.

  32. MaD dOG says:

    It’s obvious that apartments and hotels are the prime locations for this terrible health hazard. To protect our children, I beg Congress to enact legislation banning all apartments, hotels and any other type of temporary dwellings, as they are dangerous collectors of nicotine. Save the children. Do it for Paul Wellstone!

  33. nightwriter says:

    I live here, I am an x-smoker, and I am so sick and tired of this sue-crazy, nanny state! Being a smoker in this idiotic state is paramount to having leprosy! You can spread aides here, you are furnished instructions on “alternate lifestyles” which spreads STDs like crazy, you are told how to sue the state when you are here illegally so you can get a free ride courtesy of the taxpayers, you are educated in how to use estasy correctly, you are allowed to buy marijuanna for “health” reasons… WHICH IS SMOKED…. BTW! But, that’s okay!

    This state deserves to go bankrupt. It deserves to be overrun by illegals. It deserves everything it is going to get because the mentally ill liberals took over and now their favorite whipping boys/girls are the smokers! Don’t worry… we are a dying breed… then who will you blame for your failings? Perfume wearers?

    What else irritates you? How can you regulate us more? Why don’t you put us all in prison… then you can regulate our every breath.. we won’t be driving, we won’t be eating bad foods, we won’t be irritating the politically correct… but then who’s going to pay your taxes? Your precious gays, minorities, and illegals? Good luck with that!

  34. liberalism is a mental disorder says:

    smokers or non smokers. why would you buy the house if it smelled like that in the first place. second wouldnt you think you would take a longer look around the place then just a once over if you have that much of a problem with smoke look…. people use your brain or the government that half of you decided … the other half still laughs at you to this day would ruin our country will not only ruin the country but take your pathetic brain with it.

  35. MoreBS says:

    What a bunch of Leftist Control Freak BS “Science”

    Whats next? “If you look at someone smoking from 100 yards away your head will explode”

    Please.. we are wising up to this BS.. and I dont even smoke

  36. Snowman says:

    You guys just don’t get it. If you have some nicotine residue on you, and you walk through a nuclear power plant, that nicotine could become radioactive. Then later when you breath that in, it’s not the radiation killing you. It’s the nicotine! Yeah, take that you rational SOB’s.

  37. Fontaine Layayette says:

    I know for a fact that the second hand smoke hysteria is a crock of s—. I know this because I, and 4 siblings plus our mom, lived with a smoker – dad. All 5 of us kids grew up and became smokers along with our respective spouses. We all had kids and they, 9 in all, grew up with smoking parents. To this day, none of these people, and there’s 20 of us, ranging in age from 46 to 76, have any health issues related to exposure to second hand smoke in way, shape or form. So, third hand smoke? You gotta be sh—-g me! Oh by the way, I’m 76 years old and healthy as a horse.

  38. JustSayNoNow says:

    Disregard any research that originates in California

  39. Duhhhhh says:

    Any claim 2nd hand smoke (and) or it’s derivatives are a health issue has always been presented as a fact when it has only been scientific opinion. There are no studies linking 2nd hand (let alone 3rd, etc.) to anything. But what there are is plenty of studies that show researcher’s opinions are in agreement that it’s dangerous.

  40. Stupidlibs says:

    I am hereby announcing a lawsuit against this website, obviously just reading about all this cigarette smoking has damaged my health. You are served!

  41. Gleebo Geeko says:

    This third hand smoke will also build up on your household appliances. Especially computers, screens, etc. The electricity already acts like a magnet, so tar actually builds up on chips, can overheat them and add more mass to the overheating issues. The cleaning processes of electronics would take alcohol to remove the tar buildup.

    I recall my grandparents home was painted, then had to be stripped, washed, and repainted, because the tar coating was thick, so I know what the person is saying about bleeding through paint is true.

  42. duaneage says:

    Cigarette smoke = evil
    Pot smoke = medicine.

    Get it?

  43. the dude with a clever name says:

    “What are the health effects from thirdhand smoke? No one fully knows because it hasn’t been studied yet.”

    but please freak out nonetheless. we need you to so that we can push our agenda.

  44. Not suprised says:

    Wouldn’t be suprised if the study was funded by trail lawyers setting up the next hysteria litigation get rich scheme based on junk science.

  45. Steve Roberts says:

    Let’s not forget about the dangers posed by third hand alcohol. Third hand drunkenness is a growing and unreported problem. More studies and awareness programs are necessary to protect the most vulnerable.After all, our our children are at risk

  46. Stinky says:

    You have to understand, these researchers need to make a name for themselves in certain circles so they can obtain grant funds. They have to report findings against certain things (cigarettes) and for certain things (global warming). They gain favor but more importantly dollars by writing it all up and getting it out there. Since the bureaucrats that dole out this money have political leanings completely to the left, the researches have to find ways to prop up those political causes.

  47. john says:

    Now I’ve heard everything.

  48. dr s. says:

    I am glad some people are working hard to minimize the risks associated with tobacco smoking.

    I wish their spent an equal effort on preventing the dangers of marijuana smoking. Somehow, although marijuana is far more harmful than tobacco is, the same groups so opposed to smoking seems sympathetic to legalization of marijuana.

    Is it because of the source of the substance in question?

    1. Red Man says:

      Hey dr. s,
      Betcha your a PIG fearing layoffs now that you can’t roust a pot smoker and get the rest of the day off (out of the line of fire), you coward.

      If you are a dr., the end of your “Practice” will be soon, as Marijuana cures just about everything. dr of “Death & Destruction”.
      Must be s christian hoarder/killer. Am I right??
      Chemicals in cannabis have been found to stop prostate cancer cells from growing in the laboratory, suggesting that cannabis-based medicines could one day help fight the disease, scientists said Wednesday.
      After working initially with human cancer cell lines, Ines Diaz-Laviada and colleagues from the University of Alcala in Madrid also tested one compound on mice and discovered it produced a significant reduction in tumor growth.
      Their research, published in the British Journal of Cancer, underlines the growing interest in the medical use of active chemicals called cannabinoids, which are found in marijuana.
      Experts, however, stressed that the research was still exploratory and many more years of testing would be needed to work out how to apply the findings to the treatment of cancer in humans.
      “This is interesting research which opens a new avenue to explore potential drug targets but it is at a very early stage,” said Lesley Walker, director of cancer information at Cancer Research UK, which owns the journal.

      1. RC says:

        Your points will be received better if you didn’t make all the caustic remarks at the beginning of your statement. Most people will write you off as a fool rather than read past your opening remarks to get to the excellent points you make. You lose your argument the moment you make accusations and begin name calling.

  49. craig says:

    FEAR OF SMOKERS: It is an OCD mental disease. OCD stands for “Obsessive Compulsive Disorder”. It is defined as: an anxiety disorder characterized by intrusive thoughts that produce uneasiness, apprehension, fear, or worry.
    Most of the worlds Obsesive Compuslives live in San Francisco. I do no not live in San Fran, yet I am still afraid of San Frans. This makes me a second hand victim of San Fran’s with OCD. Further, my fears could spread to third hand victims. Obsessive Compulsives should seek help or take up a hoby or something, like maybe, smoking.

    1. particle_man says:

      Craig….you got me scared now.

  50. Amoeba says:

    What about the effects of second hand birth control pills? The sythesized hormones are all over our water supplies. Too politically incorrect to study?

  51. Ron T says:

    ya they want to kill us to begin with….. why is this a story other than divide and conquer..i saw some 15th hand smoke on the ground yesterday i stepped on it and moved on!

  52. pomoc says:

    All this means is they are sitting up a first hand and secound hand smoking tax

  53. Red Man says:

    Hey Dr.S
    Are you a PIG?????
    Must be, cause you will be laid off soon.
    If you are a DR., the end of your “Practice” comes soon.
    Marijuana is the cure to just about everything!!!
    Better sell your PHARMA stock now, Dr. of Death & Destruction!
    And a LIAR to boot!
    Must be a christian hoarder and killer!

    1. Edgy Old Dude says:

      And there you have it. Comment from a burn out.

  54. The swamiPirat says:

    Very entertaining story…time to go have a cigarette!

  55. frow blucher says:

    third hand smoke is the smoke these people are blowing up our rear ends.
    Check out all the dust that we’ve breathed for decades from our carpets,
    furniture, paint, other household stuff, and you won’t wonder where cancer is coming
    from.

  56. Wayne says:

    Absolute Bull Sdit. Liberalism doe more damage to the average human that tobacco.

  57. rf the magnificent says:

    Oh, Jeezus. Now they’re going to wonder why no one takes them seriously.

    GFY

  58. Bo1921 says:

    Have they done any studies on “third hand” researchers and the danger they present?

  59. particle_man says:

    “And those particles are teeny particles,” said Gundel. “And they’re very irritating. They’re more irritating than nicotine or cigarette particles themselves

    Now that’s science folks.

    teeny particles.
    yeah.

    1. JWS says:

      They’re called Teenyons!

  60. Curiousand Repulsed says:

    Ummm. excuse me. What is the “Servpro guy” doing with the “urine of children”? I mean, I know this is San Francisco and everything, but don’t you people have any standards at all?

  61. Yukiko says:

    I think they’re blowing smoke up our collective azzes. If you catch my drift.

  62. JG says:

    Then there’s fifth hand smoke. It’s the emotional trauma of actually knowing that someone in the past actually SMOKED and lived to tell it. How DARE they.
    After all, SMOKING kills.

  63. nonsmoking son of a former smoker says:

    Wow the number of times I have seen nicotine leaching through the paint in old buildings is enough for me to believe the stuff is there. Whether it is harmful or not it IS gross to have old yellow gunk ozing though your paint. Smoking indoors is an old habit and there are too many buildings coated in nicotine to count so it is relavent to us whethet or not the gunk is harmful. I mean really do you go out of your way to lean against a wall stained with yellow gunk from old smokers?

    1. Jim M says:

      Solution: cover the smoke with lead paint.

  64. Martin Sullivan says:

    Don’t they realize that the basic cause of death is…..LIFE! “Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists”!

  65. ?heg? says:

    thirdhand pork?

  66. joan says:

    Ahhhh. Uhhhhh??? The new light bulbs that will be the only kind available soon have mercury in them. If you break one, there are special instructions for cleaning up to avoid mercury contaminationm in your home. But they are GOOOOOOD.

    What does it mean? The new light bulb folks made campiagn contributions to the right people, the tobacco people did not.

    1. joan says:

      Soon, millions and millions and billions of old mercury light bulbs will be going out with the garbage. Don’t worry sheeplings, it won’t get into the ground water or the air or the soil. Naaaah. Hmmmm…Sounds like a new tax might be in order….or a new kind of agency for cleaning up after such….or a new regulatory agency…..Ooooh! Ooooh! Let’s buy and sell mercury crredits. OOOH! OOOH! The “evil” mercury light bulb people will have to make heavy campign contributions to keep in the politicians favor—maybe they did that already.

  67. wildbill6996 says:

    Its amazing what ((((((((((experts)))))))))) come up with when they think the GRANT MONEY is ENDING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Talk about JOB PROTECTION, the GORE crowd has NO SHAME ………..

  68. Jennifer says:

    What this article does not tell you (surprised?) is Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, receives millions of taxpayer dollars for c r a p research like this. google it. Plus, this lab does grant work for the Dept. of Energy and seems to be Obama’s favorite. Folks, for decades we taxpayers have paid for “research” just like this designed to push, nudge and shove Citizens into the direction the policy wonks want us to go. In other words, we pay billions every year for studies and research – peer reviewed??? – for the regulations that are chocking the life and wealth out of us.
    Shame on CBS and other fringe media for not telling us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

  69. VLADMIR says:

    In Soviet Russia apartment wake you and say “give me cigarette.”

  70. Dan says:

    Too funny. Nowhere in the article do they say what the effects of nicotine are or how it gets into the system.. I’m telling you that the time is coming in California where you won’t be able to smoke, PERIOD! And that’s because the smoke can drift from your backyard and someone could be your thirdhand smoke car or house or apartment. Meanwhile, those same atheist crack addits tell you that it’s fine to toke up on “medical” marijuana. How much do you want to bet that secondhand or thirdhand effects of smoking marijuana have NO effect on those around it or the development, esepecially of the brains and lungs, of young children exposed to it. California – the land of fruits, flakes and nuts and now HYPOCRITS!

    PS: Allowing ex-Californians to settle in your state can be hazardous to your state’s health! Quarantine them like the plague and ship them back as fast as possible.

  71. Rich says:

    This makes me wonder about other things that may have a lingering effect. What about the chemicals they pour on the roads each winter that turn into a dust that we breath? I can’t imagine that being healthy and yet every motorist is subject to it. More needs to be done to prevent exposing people to harmful substances.

  72. xdream says:

    “Matt said he also found signs of nicotine in the urine of children.”

    Does this mean that diapers need to be handled as toxic waste? No more flushing that stuff down the toilet…

  73. joan says:

    OK, people. Keep your eyes on the evil smokers. Don’t look at the mercury laden, energy efficient light bulbs we’re pushing.

  74. joe says:

    let’s talk about THE TOXINS IN MEDICAL MARIJUANA… now that’s poison, but it’s politically correct california left-coast poison, so maybe we won’t talk about that…

  75. CD says:

    I’m so thankful for this research, and hope it translates into policy as soon as possible. The kids in my apartment building, actually all of us, are being systematically poisoned. I wish these comments were better governed, so the personal attacks could be minimized.

  76. Dan says:

    LOL scrub walls to “prevent nicotine poisoning” This nicotine stuff is worst than lead and asbestos…. Strange considering nicotine by itself is probably know worst than caffeine!

  77. JoeAstroturf says:

    The smokers won’t get healthcare anyway with Obamacare so whats the problem even though they paid for it. Isn’t that what you lefties like.

    Please Check out song called teapartiers I can’t hear you at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJfboOindCo

    Here’s a verse

    Doctors are retiring earlier but we’re getting 17000 new IRS
    This is how Obama creates health care jobs I guess
    For 234 years this country’s been God’s blessing.
    Now he’s following Cloward and Piven’s to bankrupt the country I’m guessing
    If Obamacare gives Grandma and Grandpa a scare
    Think how when their rationed and die earlier we’ll save on healthcare

    Hey guys if you fought at Iwo or the Chosen
    when they stop giving your wife her meds and her last breath comes over her face
    you’ll find comfort knowing Nancy’d gladly take her place.

  78. Kendrick1 says:

    Thirdhand cigarette smoke comes through landline telephones and cable T.V. I can detect it every time. You’re safe, though, if you have a cordless phone or a T.V. satellite dish. However, T.V. satellite dishes will pick up the thirdhand smoke from your home and send it to the satellite, which in turn carries it around the world and releases it as it goes!! TIC

  79. Smitty says:

    So glad I didn’t cave into peer pressure as a teen and start this hideous habit. Seeing so many of my relatives dying early was all the dis-incentive I needed.

  80. Ripley says:

    and don’t forget fourth hand smoke….blowing smoke up our ass.

  81. CitizenofUr says:

    How do I know this is utter trash? 1. Nicotine is not considered a carcinogen by scientific community. 2. We have one study which seems to differentiate between “toxic” byproducts of smoking tobacco and the nicotine itself. Then we have the random professor who spontaneously goes looking for nicotine in a normal family with presumably no control group family to compare too and is shocked at his results. 3. There was nicotine in the urine of the children? Any article that includes “the dangers to the children” hook with no basis in research as to whether it’s a real danger or not ought to be what is illegal the United States. I don’t know about the rest of the U.S. but I am utterly and wretchedly tired of having people talk to me about protecting the children. Are they not protected? Are they dying at some tremendously unnatural rate or subject to increasing harm? No? Then go the hell away with that emotional appeal.

    This is supposed to be science right? Not play time for Federal grant money recipients. Nicotine in the children! Of all the asinine things I’ve heard. Even if the family got it from third hand smoke instead of an eggplant parm (of which I am not at all confident) there isn’t any conclusive evidence other than toxicity (which is fairly normal level overall) that nicotine is actually that harmful. Smoking combustible plant matter has been proved as unsafe though!

  82. SC says:

    I would love if this kind of research snowballed into an outright smoking ban nation-wide. People that smoke are not being considerate of the people around them, or the toxins their activities leave behind. It’s doubtful the people that smoke can be convinced to change (short of a 12-step program addressing their addiction), but I’d be all for making the activity illegal… it’s for the public good.

  83. Kevin says:

    Any way you look at it, just one more Califtornia hand-job

  84. Red Ruffansore says:

    I’d focus on second hand posterior intimacy, that’s killing off more of your citizens than ancient airborne ciggy dust. God but you are a state full of morons.

  85. Occams Gun says:

    This article is stupid. I don’t doubt that smoking is harmful but its harm has been greatly exaggerated. Any poison that you have to ingest 50 times a day over 20 to 50 years to be ‘effective’ just isn’t that potent. Then they tried to blame smokers with hurting not only themselves but those around them with the silly notion of second-hand smoke. These second-hand smokers are getting a tiny fraction of the poison that the first-hand smoker is getting. They claim the major residue that makes up ‘third-hand’ smoke is nicotine, and I’m sure this is the primary chemical you can sense (e.g. smell), however, it isn’t the nicotine in cigarettes that causes cancer. They also mention that there are carcinogens ‘all over the house’ but something that causes cancer when you smoke it doesn’t necessarily (and probably just plan *doesn’t*) cause cancer when you touch it or eat it. These people are just trying to harass smokers and expand the nanny state to an absurd level.

  86. non-smoker says:

    Well, I can’t say if it’s dangerous or not, but my mother smoked heavily from since she was twelve years-old until eighty-eight years old. When I was growing up, it often seemed as if you couldn’t see across the dining room after a Sunday family dinner, for all the cigarette and cigar smoke.

    Everything she owned was stained yellow-orange and smelled of stale cigarettes. White walls were yellow-orange, her appliances were yellow-orange. Paintings and sculptures were stained as well. Everything felt greasy. I guess all her furniture was also impregnated with the residue. We inherited some stuff and everything required quite a scrubbing to get the smelly color off. It turned the water brown as we washed her things. The paintings required professional cleaning.

    I wouldn’t want to be in constant contact with that residue.

  87. Jo says:

    Hey, anyone have a light?

  88. RickR says:

    Tobacco/nicotine is sometimes used as a pesticide. Could this be why we are seeing a resurgence of Bed Bugs in hotels, since most rooms are now non-smoking rooms?

  89. YoYo says:

    6th hand smoke = standing in the shadow of an ex-smoker

  90. BillH says:

    I can imagine the legions of civil lawyers and States attorneys ready to use this study to try and find a new way to squeeze more money from “Big Tobacco”. Anyone thinking this will be used for banning smoking is mistaken. This exercise is strictly for revenue generation. The 2nd hand smoke studies were dubious at best. I can’t wait to see the Data fudging that had to be done to make this study finding possible.

  91. Occams Gun says:

    In response to ‘non-smoker’ and his grandmother who smoke till she was 88… I agree with you about the residue. My mother’s house was the same way with that residue on everything. However, that doesn’t mean that the residue hazardous. Common sense tells you not to lick it off but I doubt that even that would kill you. Like you, I washed it off first chance I got. Problem solved. No need to pass laws and get the EPA involved.

  92. Occams Gun says:

    4th hand smoke… reading an article about 3rd hand smoke… Arrrrgh! I’ve got to go wash my hands now!

  93. Reality Check says:

    As a NON-smoker, it is now time to give tobacco companies full immunity. It is almost 50 years since the surgeon general placed warnings on smokes yet people have not changed their habits. How much money has been paid by tobacco companies to help pay for sick smokers? So far $157 BILLION. How much has gone to treating sick smokers? 9%!!! Why so low? Because government officials have robbed the system. and used the money elsewhere. No different than social security, medicare, medicaid, etc., etc., etc. Government IS THE PROBLEM!!! Abolish the federal government outside of military defense and watch what happens in this country. The progressive movement would be eliminated in less than ten years!

  94. Ben says:

    I was watching TV the other night and the show had somebody smoking on it. I almost died of “nicotine poisoning”. I don’t smoke tabacco and there’s no doubt that it does provide some level of negative effects on your health, but let’s stop exaggerating it by saying renting an apartment that once housed a smoker can cause you to be POISONED! Does anybody really believe that?

  95. The Don says:

    Of all the issues that Cali has on its plate…This must be another cash generator…Gee, I wonder whats next?..Maybe we go after the gov for exhaust fumes from cars are bothering people who live near freeways?

  96. Fred Gore says:

    I can show you a graph that shows a perfect correlation betwen the rise in third hand smoke and the rise in the earth’s temperature. Chew tobacco-save the planet

  97. Batman says:

    I’ll bet a dollar that the federal gov. is spending more of our tax money on this scam. Guess we have to continue to pay from the east coast for the kooks in CA to have jobs and stay afloat. Freaking socialist programs that suck the life out of the rest of the world and then report that we are killing them so we will give them more money! How much would your tax bill be each year if you could pick and choose where your money would be spent or not be spent?

  98. Bryan Abbott says:

    God save us from these do-gooder, money and time wasting studies. They are designed to keep idle scientists busy and to give LAWYERS ammunition to suck blood where ever they can find it. ENOUGH!

    Next up……. 4th hand smoke…. and it’s connection to venereal disease.

  99. John Smith says:

    There could hardly be better proof of the decline in US education than the comments left on this topic.
    Nazis were left wing socialists, really? Having lived in Austria and Germany for many years I have know more than a few former Nazis and this is certainly news to them.
    The first people the Nazis rounded up and put in concentration camps were union leaders, communists, and socialists. The reason Hitler was APPOINTED chancellor (NOT ELECTED – his party came in third place) was because he was the most vocal opponent of communism.
    Mussolini, the first European fascist famously said fascism should be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power, which is a very good description of the U.S. today.
    There is not a SINGLE historian with a PhD who would support such an Orwellian claim that Nazis were left wing liberals.

    Just because an idea is called a theory does not mean it’s not true. Gravity is also “just” a theory. When theories are tried and tested hundreds and even thousands of times to prove or disprove them and nothing turns up to disprove them, the theory becomes accepted by the scientific community as fact.

    I do wish we could simply deny all of the benefits of scientific theories and research to ignorant a**holes who think they know better.
    It’s one thing to be ignorant (lack of knowledge), another to have a low IQ, but the crown has to go to those who are proud to announce their ignorance and put it on display.
    Good luck with that. It’s just a shame that so many people will have to suffer as a result.

  100. lwayne says:

    Too bad Oblabla is said to have quit

  101. STEVE says:

    I THINK A LIBERAL LIVED IN MY HOUSE BEFORE ME. ALL I WANT TO DO IS LAY AROUND MY HOUSE AND WAIT FOR A CHECK TO SHOW UP AT THE END OF THE MONTH !

  102. TJP says:

    This is actually more interesting than second-hand smoke, which can at least be seen and moved away from. Seems to me that if you own your home, you should be allowed to smoke in it, but apartment buildings should be against the rules unless the entire building has been designated a “smoking zone” and everyone who resides there is a smoker. Otherwise, you’re inflicting your smoke on the next resident in line (or alternately, a lot of expense on the building owner).

  103. Jim says:

    If these idiots will just wait a year or so, they won’t have to deal with anything except where will I get another piece of food. or how can I stay warm in the winter as there is no energy for heat.

  104. Rich says:

    All this halibaloo about Nicotine and how its a poison bla bla bla. I bet over half the people here don’t even realize that nicotine is in tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant, etc.

    Its no more harmful than caffeine.

  105. USAFLgirl says:

    I grew up in a house where people smoked, rode in cars where people smoked, worked in offices where people smoked, sat on planes where people smoked….more people smoked years ago in closed up places and suddenly, this is now a problem. Get real people….that and common sense!!!

  106. MD for Integrity in Science says:

    Nicotine is not toxic, and it does not shorten lifespan. Read the Surgeon General reports, starting with the 1964 report. Nictotine is also available as an FDA-approved pharmaceutical. I therefore question the validity of this “research” and the competency of these “scientists.” if they don’t understand such a fundamental concept.. Also, the journalist ought not to be so gullible.

  107. BackwardsBoy says:

    When did my cilia stop working?

  108. henry says:

    Smoking actually saves Americans money. Smokers work and contribute to social security and medicaid but die earlier than non-smokers. So we, non-smokers, get the benefit of their money that they added to the pot. We should encourage people to smoke and use drugs and alcohol.

  109. WYatt says:

    This is insane. Why are people over 40, who were children when there was smoking in almost every building they went, not dropping dead or have already dropped dead. Cancer is tough to cure. Since we have cured a whole lot of other things that led to shorter life expectancies it seems like lung cancer and other not yet cured killers are growing out of control.

    “According to one experiment, even though airborne toxins from thirdhand smoke are about a hundred times less than from secondhand smoke, those exposures can add up over time.”

    Yeah like anything at all in extremely small forms can “add up over time.” Very sound science there. Secondhand and now i suppose thirdhand smoking studies are mostly done by organizations that have as their stated purposes to end smoking.

    And why are two people at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory who are both in the environmental energy department studying thirdhand smoking?

  110. ertdfg says:

    I guess wrong on what thirdhand smoking effects would be.

    I thought this would the the story of the suffering and torment felt by a nanny-state liberal told they weren’t allowed to control every detail of other people’s lives. Sure they may not ever see smoking, but just knowing someone else is making a choice they don’t like is causing them immense pain and suffering, don’t you feel for them? All they want is to control more of your life… and it’s for your own good that you should give them control over your personal choices…

    I guess I’m just too optimistic; Good luck California, you’ll soon be subjected to more intrusive, pervasive, and controlling government activities… although that could have been predicted without this story. You elect liberals, you get a government that wants to make all your choices for you. Don’t act surprised when they start limiting your options once again.

  111. NadePaulKuciGravMcKi says:

    19 Dancing Oswalds = 5 Dancing Mossad

  112. albee says:

    I hope y’all noticed the “researvh” was conducted in Frisco?? Y’now, Frisco?? I mean,like…DUDE, Frisco?!?!

  113. clarese76 says:

    gee, what about all the residue from all the cleaning products? Are they not more toxic than a cigarette? Better yet all the meat eaters flatulence that just contaminates the pores of the walls, in this case the cigarette smell is a welcome change.

  114. NoMoreKoolAid says:

    Plain and simple folks…this is the beginning of the second wave of the anti-smoke campaign. Because of articles and fearmongering like this, they will begin in region after region to forbid smoking in hotels, or in homes or cars. Just another way to control.

  115. GDawg says:

    You just can’t tell smokers anything…they can’t quit an addiction that is stronger then heroin…so, they defend it with their pathectic lives. OK…smokers…I want you to get up in the morning and….after you spend your usual 20 – 30 minutes hacking up lung butter…put on your sneekers and run as fast as you can around just one block. Just kidding… we all know if you have a 15 year or longer addiction to cigs you can’t run across the street. The worst part is you don’t even have a clue left of how you stink…ever wonder why nobody kisses you anymore?

    1. bill says:

      hiked the appalachian trail through 1 season while smoking.not proud of it but its not the same 4 everyone

  116. bill says:

    as a smoker if its so bad for you why not outlaw it? maybe taxes?

  117. CK says:

    Living in a country Injuns used to occupy, we’re all a bunch of n-th hand smokers.

  118. Bill says:

    Would someone show me where on a death certificate that it says that a person died of second hand cigarette smoke. Where?

  119. Charles McKinney says:

    The problem with trying to fix everything you don’t like in society is that you create unintended consequences. They managed to cut down on smoking so now people are getting fatter. Not the sole cause but it seems to be a serious contributing factor. Another problem is that you miss the big obvious problems. For instance: here in california the past two weeks there was an abducted child and a witness says the car used was drivien into a canal. Police searched for two weeks and found the car and eleven other cars. If the EPA and the health industry were so concerened with us, they would work on pulling the cars of our canals. Who knows what chemicals are getting into the water and into our food supply via irrigation.

  120. LetEmSmoke says:

    Isn’t this amazing? Even Plutonium breaks down over time, but not Cigarette smoke.. I’m not a smoker, and if people want to smoke let them smoke, but this topic and fear campaigning has gotten a bit ridiculous, they’re seriously stretching on this.

  121. Bruce Harwell says:

    I always approach proposed laws and regulations with a simple question: Will this give we the people more freedom, or less? Regretfully, the answer is always less. And for those of you who think it’s a good idea to trade your freedoms to keep you “safe”: Please move out of a country of free people and go where you feel “safe”!

  122. Charlie Foxtrot says:

    That’s some good journalism right there…not! Fearmongering at it’s finest if you ask me. Oh, no! Just when we’ve banned smoking everywhere, compromising the Constitution in the process, we now have “groundbreaking” research about this new threat. I guess it’s time to pass more spurious laws and criminalize everyone. What’s next? How much of this “groundbreaking” research was funded by dirty politics with a pre-determined end result? It’s like watching wrestling…you know it’s fake but you can’t help but wonder how over the top it’s going to get.

  123. johnny says:

    i think the illegal aliens are more dangerous than any kind of smoke

  124. Zeno546 says:

    Go find a definitive autopsy report that second hand smoke is debilitating or cause of death. There are people that have allergies or sensitivities to smoke. No where in the world is safe from allergies. We all suffer from various sensitivities and can not outlaw these because we live in the world. This looks like a solution looking for a problem.

    1. BayAreaBill says:

      Zeno, or is that actually Xeno(phobe)? Second-hand smoke effects have been proven. Your rambling rant did not address the issue of Third Hand Smoke. Do you really understand the veracity or the gravity of what you have just read? I seriously doubt it. Must live in SF, right? Ignorant Hell hole.

      1. Zeno546 says:

        Again, if second hand smoke has not caused serious injury or death, then third hand smoke is not going to cause death or serious injury. It is to some folks an irritant just as perfume is to some folks.. Live with it.

  125. tagley says:

    I wish they would just outlaw cigs so Is can get in on the groundfloor of the blackmarket that will surely flourish and I can become filthy rich while everybodys taxes on other goods skyrocket. LMAO

  126. EvilCarnivoreSteve says:

    Doesn’t this also apply to secondhand pot smoke? That may be the source of ignorant ideas like this in the first place. Following this thirdhand smoke logic we should prosecute Mexico for any smoke that has rolled across the border in the last 3-6 years.

    What should be the punishment for this again? Is this right up there with the wrong kind of oil used to make fries with that? How about a bag of chips with trans-fat?

  127. BayAreaBill says:

    There is far too much grant funding floating around for academic BS like this. This is all junk science and its academic beneficiaries should not be feeding at the public trough. They should get real projects or find real productive jobs.

    “Third Hand Smoke”??? Give me a frigging break. “Toxic Mold”??? Give me a frigging break. Bet a lot of these morons have just lost Global Warming grants.

    Better for them to concentrate on REAL ISSUES, like lead in paint and in copper pipe solder and also in latent pesticides. Another real issue is respiratory diseases caused by insects in urban housing. Problem is, these are not nearly as spectacular as the issues I trashed above.

  128. D ems are hosing America says:

    obama and the democrats are total TOOLS. They LOVE socialism and will do whatever they need to do knock America down to size. He keeps apologizing for the United States. WHAT A TOOL!! Can’t wait for November, 2011!!!! CAPITALISM RULZ!!

  129. dorky dave says:

    Meanwhile, the nation continues to suffer 100x more by the huge amounts of caffiene being consumed daily in all ways except thru an IV. Why are there no studies about the dangers of second-hand caffiene?

  130. kamin says:

    Longest research finds little or no danger to second hand smoke.
    http://bit.ly/hkCTlf

  131. MSJ says:

    Would someone please tell me why the government doesn’t just ban all cigarettes…including marajuana ones?

  132. Marcel says:

    The worst kind of alarmist claptrap. If you want to study something actually harmful rather than this pap check out the ubiquity of birth control pill hormones in water supplies world wide. Then check concerns that it is behind the reduction in human sperm count -also world wide- and the strange appearance of hermaphroditic fish That will be an eye opener to be sure.

  133. Fed up Smoker says:

    More C-BS??!!
    My grandmother smoked every day of her adult life, lived until 97 and died of old age.
    My mother is 85 and is sharp as a tack (and smokes).
    She and I both have the same complaint about the Obama brands of cigarrettes:
    In constant need of stimulus and unsatisfying results.
    I have to keep them in my mouth and puff continually, and even then – they go out and need another ‘stimulus’!!!!!
    By conintouously demanding I puff them to stay lit, did they not merely improve the chances I will get cancer??!!??
    I wish the government ass clowns would just f*ck off and die, demanding more taxes (for which I get ZERO representation) and then producing a lousy product guaranteed to do more damage than if they had let it alone.
    I am declaring all the cigarette taxes on my return this year!
    I have receipts…

  134. MSJ says:

    It is so refreshing to see the liberals agreeing with the Christian Church which warned people about the evils of smoking from the beginning.

  135. Walter W. Charles says:

    This is beyond idiotic! Even the second hand smoke theory has been debunked and now they are trying to sell third hand smoke? They must really think we are a bunch of dolts! Of course, this DOES come out of San Francisco, so that can explain a lot! Does this mean that Moochelle will still be smelling Barack’s nicotine for years to come? Oh, the hummanity!

  136. phil says:

    The smoke smells is bad enough but try those Indian spices like turmeric around other people’s apartment/ condominium when they are cooking.

    1. kimmy says:

      filipino food is the worst smelling food – about as bad as cigarette smoke !

  137. Jaberwoke says:

    California Researchers Raise Concerns About ‘Thirdhand Smoke’
    Illinois Researchers Raise Concerns About ‘Fourthhand Smoke’
    Michigan Researchers Raise Concerns About ‘Fifthhand Smoke’
    New York and California Researchers Raise Concerns About ‘AnyHandSmoke’
    …shall I continue with exhaust fumes, flatulence, aromatics, sewer, street residue …”

  138. Harleyrider Davidson says:

    BS Alert: The ‘third-hand smoke’ hoax

    http://www.examiner.com/public-policy-in-louisville/bs-alert-the-third-h

    The thirdhand smoke scam

    http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2010/02/thirdhand-smoke-scam.html

    Thirdhand smoke fever – another example of prejudice and propaganda

    http://www.thefreesociety.org/Issues/Smoking/thirdhand-smoke-fever-a-fur

    This study appears to be wall to wall junk science. They seem to be most worried about “carcinogenic tobacco-specific nitrosamines or TSNAs..several hundred nanograms per square meter of nitrosamines” (1)

    Guess where Nitrosamines are also formed? Cooking fish, where TSNAs are measured in microgrammes, but in the Berkeley paper nanogrammes a factor of a thousand times smaller. (2)

    Nitrosamines are also found in ham, milk, children’s balloons and tap water. (3)

    Finally the World Health Organization’s cancer mouthpiece the International Agency Research on Cancer says on Nitrosamines: “5.2 Human carcinogenicity data. No data were (sic) available to the Working Group.” (4)

    So we have a dose that is so low, cooking a fish produces 1,000 times more “carcinogens” on a chemical which has not been proven to cause cancer in the first place.

    Junk science that insults the intelligence.

  139. Harleyrider Davidson says:

    This study appears to be wall to wall junk science. They seem to be most worried about “carcinogenic tobacco-specific nitrosamines or TSNAs..several hundred nanograms per square meter of nitrosamines” (1)

    Guess where Nitrosamines are also formed? Cooking fish, where TSNAs are measured in microgrammes, but in the Berkeley paper nanogrammes a factor of a thousand times smaller. (2)

    Nitrosamines are also found in ham, milk, children’s balloons and tap water. (3)

    Finally the World Health Organization’s cancer mouthpiece the International Agency Research on Cancer says on Nitrosamines: “5.2 Human carcinogenicity data. No data were (sic) available to the Working Group.” (4)

    So we have a dose that is so low, cooking a fish produces 1,000 times more “carcinogens” on a chemical which has not been proven to cause cancer in the first place.

    Junk science that insults the intelligence.

    Now the so called scientists here all working for tobacco control and paid for by tax dollars in california…they took a chamber and pumped 1500 TIMES THE NORMAL AMOUNT of HONO/nitrous acid plus pumping up the amounts of nicotine just to get a reading on their test equipment.
    All they got was a 1 nanogram of nnk…..a ten fold increase of nothing is nothing..

    These nnn and nnk are all N’-nitrosonornicotine (NNN) ranged from not detected to 23 pg/l, that of N’-nitrosoanata-bine ranged from not detected to 9 pg/l, while 4-(methylnitrosamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone (NNK) was detected in concentrations ranging from 1 to 29 pg/l.

    They become inorganic arsenic in the body but here again dose makes the poison and these so called scientists already knew their was no threat to anyone…….but as all anti-tobacco studies go its all in the headline not in the science…….

    Just a little bit more about the N’-nitrosonornicotine found in SHS/ETS.

    However, the dose makes the poison!!

    This stuff is NOT present in quantities known to be hazardous!!!

    The concentration of N’-nitrosonornicotine (NNN) ranged from not detected to 23 pg/l, that of N’-nitrosoanata-bine ranged from not detected to 9 pg/l, while 4-(methylnitrosamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone (NNK) was detected in concentrations ranging from 1 to 29 pg/l.

    NNN = 0 to 23 picograms per liter

    NNK = 0 to 29 picograms per liter

    1 cubic meter = 1,000 liters

    1 nanogram(NG) = 1,000 picograms

    Thus, NNN of 0 to 23 picograms per liter is the same as 0 to 23 nanograms(ng) per cubic meter

    NNK of 0 to 29 picograms per liter is the same as 0 to 29 nanograms(ng) per cubic meter.

    The question is whether or not 0 to 29 nanograms(ng) per cubic meter of a carcinogenic substance is a dangerous level?

    The Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) has concluded that inorganic arsenic is known to be a human carcinogen.

    The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) cites sufficient evidence of a relationship between exposure to arsenic and human cancer. The IARC classification of arsenic is Group 1.

    The EPA has determined that inorganic arsenic is a human carcinogen by the inhalation and oral routes, and has assigned it the cancer classification, Group A.

    Mean arsenic levels in ambient air in the United States have been reported to range from 20 to 30 ng/m3 in urban areas (Davidson et al. 1985; EPA 1982c; IARC 1980; NAS 1977a).

    NOTE: 20 to 30 ng/m3 is NOT stated to be a hazardous level of exposure to this known human carcinogen.
    .

    The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA)
    has set a permissible exposure limit (PEL) of 10 micrograms
    of arsenic per cubic meter of workplace air (10 µg/m³) for 8
    hour shifts and 40 hour work weeks.

    so thats 10,000 nanograms per cubic meter of air per 8 hours
    .

    Does anybody wonder how long it would take lil johnny to lick up 10,000 nano grams of nnk….remember the scientists say this is on a covering 3 feet by 3 feet square for 1 nanogram of nnk…..of course we have to adjust for that ten fold increase when they pumped up the nitrous acid and nicotine levels to get that 1 nanogram of nnk…….so if we take that 1 nanogram and divide it by 1500 we get well its so far out there why even bother…..we can figure it like this lil johnnys gonna have to lick billions of miles of smoke laden walls and eat trillions of ash trays full of cig butts over a couple trillion years before he ever comes close to a danger level……..but did I forget to tell you, we urinate this stuff away daily……….now you can laugh!

  140. chuck says:

    Hey, KCUF You, California, your bankrupt state because of Proposition 19, and the rest of you greenie’s.

    You haven’t got a clue, hope the entire state breaks off of the west coast and floats OUT TO SEA!

    You people aren’t REAL, you are totally NUTS!

  141. suibne geilt says:

    the entire state of california is toxic.
    suibne

  142. slobo says:

    I have lived in the same house for 55 years. My Father smoked 13 cigars and 3 packs of Camels per day. He lived until he was 87. My Mother smoked three packs of Kool shorts per day. She lived until she was 81. I smoke 2 packs of Marlboro Menthols per day. The walls are so saturated with nicotine, I cannot even paint. The stuff bleeds out of the walls and runs down to the floor. I have given up! I am 65 and expect to live until I am 90. I have a sign at the entrance to my house, “Enter at your peril”.

  143. Harleyrider Davidson says:

    Third hand junk science,this is the same GARBAGE as the second hand smoke junk science read my above remarks it covers the 3rd hand smoke study from last year and heres what the nazi TOBACCO CONTROL FOLKS IN CALIFORNIA ARE DOING NOW!

    Anti-Smoking Researchers in California Admit that They Have Reached Pre-Determined Conclusions Prior to Their Research Studies

    Acknowledged Purpose of Study is Not to Find Out Effects of Thirdhand Smoke, But to Promote Smoking Bans in the Home

    While I have for some time argued that many anti-smoking researchers have reached pre-determined conclusions and that their research consists of cherry-picking findings so that they support these pre-determined conclusions, it is now the case that these researchers are readily admitting that they have no interest in seeing where the results of the research actually take them.
    tobaccoanalysis.blogspoT

    1. slobo says:

      Nicely said HD! Best Regards…slobo

  144. slobo says:

    Please, ban smoking in my home, and I will torch my house and contaminate the entire neighborhood!

  145. Sheri Bush says:

    I am a former smoker, I thought like many, that my Allergies were caused by cigarettes. I am also a computer technician (I repair computers). I thought that when I stopped smoking that my coughing ‘fits’ would stop.

    That didn’t happen. As soon as a computer comes into my shop and I start coughing, I know that the computer is ‘Dirty’. Turns out, it is the ‘Pet Hair & Dander’ that I am allergic to.

    I’m not justifying smoking, glad I quit…. but it’s not just cigarette smoke that causes problems.

  146. Harleyrider Davidson says:

    John Smith

    There could hardly be better proof of the decline in US education than the comments left on this topic.
    Nazis were left wing socialists, really? Having lived in Austria and Germany for many years I have know more than a few former Nazis and this is certainly news to them.
    The first people the Nazis rounded up and put in concentration camps were union leaders, communists, and socialists. The reason Hitler was APPOINTED chancellor (NOT ELECTED – his party came in third place) was because he was the most vocal opponent of communism.
    Mussolini, the first European fascist famously said fascism should be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power, which is a very good description of the U.S. today.
    There is not a SINGLE historian with a PhD who would support such an Orwellian claim that Nazis were left wing liberals.

    Just because an idea is called a theory does not mean it’s not true. Gravity is also “just” a theory. When theories are tried and tested hundreds and even thousands of times to prove or disprove them and nothing turns up to disprove them, the theory becomes accepted by the scientific community as fact.

    I do wish we could simply deny all of the benefits of scientific theories and research to ignorant a**holes who think they know better.
    It’s one thing to be ignorant (lack of knowledge), another to have a low IQ, but the crown has to go to those who are proud to announce their ignorance and put it on display.
    Good luck with that. It’s just a shame that so many people will have to suffer as a result.

    ………………………………………………………….

    Hitler was a Leftist
    Hitler’s Anti-Tobacco Campaign

    Department of History,
    Pennsylvania State University,
    University Park,
    PA 16802,
    United States

    Robert N Proctor, professor of the history of science

    In Nazi Germany, for instance, abstinence from tobacco was a “national socialist duty” (Hitler gave a gold watch to associates who quit the habit, though this didn’t stop them lighting up in the Berlin bunker once they heard the Fuhrer had committed suicide). Armed with such senior sanction — loyally, Reichsfuhrer Heinrich Himmler banned SS men from smoking, though not shooting, on duty, and Propaganda Minister Joseph Gobbels was obliged to hide his ciggie whenever he was filmed — anti-tobacco activists succeeded in banning smoking from government offices, civic transport, university campuses, rest homes, post offices, many restaurants and bars, hospital grounds and workplaces. Tobacco taxes were raised, unsupervised cigarette vending machines were banned, and there were calls for a ban on smoking while driving.

  147. Harleyrider Davidson says:

    Hitler was a Leftist
    Hitler’s Anti-Tobacco Campaign

    Department of History,
    Pennsylvania State University,
    University Park,
    PA 16802,
    United States

    Robert N Proctor, professor of the history of science

    In Nazi Germany, for instance, abstinence from tobacco was a “national socialist duty” (Hitler gave a gold watch to associates who quit the habit, though this didn’t stop them lighting up in the Berlin bunker once they heard the Fuhrer had committed suicide). Armed with such senior sanction — loyally, Reichsfuhrer Heinrich Himmler banned SS men from smoking, though not shooting, on duty, and Propaganda Minister Joseph Gobbels was obliged to hide his ciggie whenever he was filmed — anti-tobacco activists succeeded in banning smoking from government offices, civic transport, university campuses, rest homes, post offices, many restaurants and bars, hospital grounds and workplaces. Tobacco taxes were raised, unsupervised cigarette vending machines were banned, and there were calls for a ban on smoking while driving.

    1. slobo says:

      One more we argee on…Hitler WAS a leftist…and the left blames him for conservative issues of today! I think it is the “Nationalist” in NSDAP, that confuses them…

  148. slobo says:

    chriopractics can cure smoking…they simply break your neck…and you die!

  149. fredlave says:

    I think this is in the same category as global warming or, in other words “how thin can you slice baloney.

  150. TangentToWhat says:

    Lawyers, you have no shame. Whhaaaaa ha ha ah Whaaaaa

  151. Motomom says:

    What an absolute load of bull. No one would ever be able to live anywhere. Why any new agency would run a story like this is beyond me. I’ll bet the good professor got government money to do this “study.” What a total waste of time. Next they will be telling us that campfires and s’mores cause cancer, and all girl scouts should be banned.

  152. Jean says:

    RADON is the only thing I know for sure that causes cancer and lives on forever….next time you rent an apt….ask landlord to do a RADON TEST….you might be surprised ! Previous smoking occupant might be the least of your concerns.

  153. Liz says:

    400,000 deaths each year are directly attributable to smoking – SURE they are….NOT !! As a medical professional I can attest that smoking does affect some persons but do they DIE from it. Not most of the time.

    People need to understand that ALMOST ALL CANCERS METASTASIZE TO THE LUNGS prior to death & the nanny state anti smoker folks use ALL those statistics to skew the real numbers of people affected by smoking. I come from a family of smokers all of which lived until their late 90s. How long would they have lived if they didn’t smoke? 200? I don’t smoke myself, but have always been around smokers and I have been blessed with excellent health.

    Don’t let these people who really want the government to outlaw everything to gain absolute power over the citizens pull more bogus claims like we now know was done with global warming. Do your research and make your own decisions but stand up to the BS people who want to take away everyone’s rights.

  154. fredw says:

    Shellac and Shellac based primers will seal the nicotine in. Nothing else works.

  155. stargirl says:

    this will be a gold mine for lawyers.
    new laws will be passed requiring disclosure by sellers and landlords, like the disclosures required for lead paint, murders that took place on the property, etc.
    smoking will be connected to post traumatic stress disorder. people will go on disability because they saw someone smoking and became traumatised so badly that they are unable to work.
    meanwhile, the islamists are plotting out destruction, illegals have overwhelmed our social services networks, medicare and welfare fraud is rampant, drug abuse is skyrocketing, there are no jobs for people, you cant get a mortgage or sell your house, industry is fleeing overseas, the dollar is being abandoned, and police cant keep up with crime.
    but the government will save us from the evils of smoking!

  156. Just Me says:

    Potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant and red peppers. All contain nicotine.

  157. Dalter says:

    Thank god for people who can tell us what dangerous fools we are to ourselves. How did the human race survive for so long without them?

  158. peterj says:

    Of course this study comes out of California. The land of weenies , whiners and wingnuts. Small wonder the whole state is heading for the garbage can. The sooner Mexico takes over the better. I can hardly wait for the report on fourth hand smoke.

  159. GT says:

    But when you wash the nicotine off you then wash it down the sink or toilet and it ends up in the water table, so we all drink it anyway!

  160. Rick Daniels says:

    While shopping for a used car, I’d ask the dealer if the previous owner was a smoker. Every one of them would say, “No they weren’t smokers.” Even when they just opened the car door, I could smell the stench. So, my nose has saved me from third hand smoke, quite a few times. btw, the dealers were usually smokers so they couldn’t smell it. Idiots.

  161. wallace1303 says:

    I want to be first in line for a big grant to study fifth hand smoke. It is deadlu sand must be stopped.

  162. tripod says:

    Common sense says if it’s a really heavy smoker to use a good sealer before you paint. Kilz or any good wall sealer. Allow to dry overnight and then paint. This will seal off anything. Like putting sealer on wood before you put on the finish. Why do people create problems that have simple solutions. Their agenda may be to crimp the style of free people and tell them they can’t smoke in certain places in the future. If you get enough of bad science they think they can do anything.

  163. alaskan says:

    Can hardly wait for the reat quake in socialist california

  164. Sam H. Smith says:

    Yuppies and Health-nuts have a hard time understanding that in the end, smokers have rights too. I also like to reaffirm there is no empirical evidence that second hand or now “third hand” smoking causes any threat. Dont eat your paint, dont gnaw on stuff that isn’t yours. Smell is one thing, I can smell the mile long dump outside most cities. I might get “third hand” garbage exposure next.

  165. TJB says:

    Are lawyer groups secretly funding these studies?

  166. Harley2002 says:

    I guess these researchers lost their grant money for researching Global Warming LOL. They need to invent another crisis to get more money. These are not scientists these people are leaches off tax money. 3rd hand smoke what a crock.

  167. Marty says:

    I’m sure that all of the negative comments about this article are from smokers. Why should you be concerned with this? Isn’t the fact that you stink, and leave your garbage thrown around on the ground, enough to get you to quit? And don’t be fooled that you can cover up the stink. You can’t. Only a complete idiot that absolutely hate themselves would smoke. Oh and yes, I smoked 2 1/2 packs a day for 25 years. I quit 11 years ago. So yes, I do know.

  168. greenbear51 says:

    exposure to first hand ridiculous theories such as this one could be more detrimental to our health than eggs, CO2, and the sun
    put together.

  169. greg says:

    Guess California has outlawed Lysol. Crying, shame it works. Do these people not realize that they suck down a huge amount of carcinogens every time they walk down the street?

  170. bill says:

    Give me a break!
    Pour more research to discover what is killing people.
    Look at these web sites and then try to blow smoke up my a%*
    http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/02/08/researchers-raise-concerns-about-%E2%80%98thirdhand-smoke%E2%80%99/
    http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/los-angeles-ca

  171. Burgher says:

    No one here gets out alive.

  172. Robin says:

    I’m going to sue the local bakery. I’m diabetic and when I went inside I could smell the sugar. I’m sure it had an effect on me…

    Maybe we have more asthmatic kids because they’re not exposed to enough to develop a response to them. Like a callus on your feet or hands. We need to build up immunities to this stuff but kids aren’t being exposed to anything.

  173. MPH says:

    Lots, of comments, sorry if I’m repeating one, as I didn’t read them all.

    Back in the 1970s the federal government funded a study on the effects of second hand smoke that apparently everyone has forgotten. They had nonsmoking people enter places known for being smoke filled while wearing sensors that determined smoke exposure. They determined that working 8 hours a day for a year in such an environment was the equivalent of smoking 6 cigarettes a year. Not too much risk there.

  174. Trey says:

    Someone said that oil based paint is the answer. I disagree. Lead based paint will encapsulate any carcinogen on the wall!

  175. Doug says:

    How stupid does somebody have to be to spend thousands of dollars a year to make his home stink and make himself sick?

  176. Michael J. McFadden says:

    “airborne toxins from thirdhand smoke are about a hundred times less than from secondhand smoke” eh? Well, even if you accept the EPA warnings at face value, 40 years of exposure every day for 8 hours a day increases your risk of lung cancer by 19%. That’s 19% over the base rate of about 4/1,000. In other words daily working with secondhand smoke produces one extra lung cancer for every 40,000 worker-years

    Now, if you apply that to this “thirdhand smoke” nonsense, then that would mean one extra lung cancer for every FOUR MILLION WORKER-YEARS of expsosure. Worrying about stuff like this is extreme neurosis, and trying to frighten people with stuff like this is close to downright CRIMINAL.

    Antismokers lie to get these bans passed. To see the full extent of their lies read “The Lies Behind The Smoking Bans” at:

    http://kuneman.smokersclub.com/PASAN/StilettoGenv5h.pdf

    and print it out and share it with smokers, worried nonsmokers, and bar/restaurant friends.

    Michael J. McFadden
    Author of “Dissecting Antismokers’ Brains”

  177. Michael J. McFadden says:

    As for this nonsense: ““residues of tobacco smoke will get more toxic with time,” said Gundel.”

    it comes from a study done last year that exposed smoky surfaces to Nitrous Oxide acid (HONO) at levels over A THOUSAND PERCENT HIGHER than those found in standard tested homes. After that VERY extreme treatment they found an increase of submicroscoopic nicotine-related compounds that just barely measurable even by the most sensitive scientific instruments. Again, a piece of “science” simply engineered for scaremongering by the antismoking movement.

    They have more money than God to pay for crazy studies like these and then feed them to news organizations (who often don’t know much about the basic actual research) so that they’ll churn out scare propaganda. They’ve been doing this for years, and they are VERY skilled at it.

    Don’t be tricked by their con games!

    – MJM

  178. Karen Hines, RN OCN says:

    I’m surprised at the level of ignorance I’m reading here. I am a Certified Oncology Nurse. For all of you who believe this is some sort of conspiracy, you should come down to the hospital sometime and hang out with my patients whose only risk factors include living with a smoker. It’s pretty sad when they can’t breathe, and the parent who smells like an ashtray thinks they are doing the kid a favor by turning a fan on.

  179. NYLSBlog says:

    New York Law School’s blog “Legal as She is Spoke” recently published a story that analyzes how Christus St. Frances Cabrini Hospital’s ban on third-hand smoke could conflict with Louisiana’s law that protects smokers’ rights. Take a look:

    http://www.lasisblog.com/2011/11/29/and-now-there’s-third-hand-smoke/

    If you enjoy the piece, leave a comment or “like” us on Facebook!

  180. JenJoy Henry says:

    As a Professional Car Detailer this issue is very important to me. My clients have no idea how bad it is for them to smoke in their cars. I do what I can by recommending to them Auto Shocker, an odor eliminator that gets down into the upholstery and kills odors. It’s like a fumigation bomb but for odors. Check it out at http://www.biocidesystems.com/auto3hslanding.html

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