Santa Rosa State Assemblyman Wants To Regulate DUI Checkpoints

SANTA ROSA (KCBS) — A bill to regulate driving under the influence (DUI) checkpoints passed the State Assembly Friday. Assemblyman Michael Allen D-Santa Rosa introduced AB1389 which requires police give 48 hours notice of the checkpoint’s general location.

The bill would prohibit law enforcement from doing drivers license, warrants or probation checks on contacts at a DUI check point.

Assemblyman Allen calls the checkpoints “fishing expeditions” and that most of them are set up to catch people coming out of the bars in the evening and others were being set up in front of stores in minority communities.

KCBS’ Margie Shafer Reports:

“We want to make sure existing law enforcement resources are maximized to catch impaired drivers and that they’re not setting up checkpoints that are calculated to serve other purposes,” said Allen.

Advocates have said some cities make money by impounding vehicles that often belong to illegal immigrants who can’t get licenses. This bill would also prohibit impoundments if someone picks up an unlicensed driver and the car.

Daniel Fox with the District Attorney’s Association is opposed to the bill and says it creates safe zones.

“It really loosens up the ability of police officers to get unsafe drivers off the road,” said Fox.

The bill is also opposed by Mothers Against Drunk Drivers because according to them, it restricts law enforcement.

The 51-19 vote passed the Assembly and the bill now goes to the Senate.

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  1. WTShimmin says:

    Considering Sonoma county has an off the hook population of illegal immigrants: “Advocates have said some cities make money by impounding vehicles that often belong to illegal immigrants who can’t get licenses”, the introduction of this Bill is self explanatory. The other component is the absconding personal responsibility for driving while under the influence, be it alcohol or dope. Simply put, the idea being brought forth in the Bill is “The police shouldn’t be doing their jobs when it infringes on what I want to do as a person when it comes to booze and dope and why should illegals be discovered and penalized”. How much you want to bet Michael Allen is actually from Sebastopol….

  2. mechanic says:

    We must protect our illegal immigrant population! Ban all laws that penalize them; and make new laws to curb the rampant “racism” that thrives in the honky community. But first ….. Vote or throw this bum out of office! What a sham. I think the “immigrant population” already has more than enough laws in place to protect them all the way to the bank.

  3. Bloodhounds says:

    I would think giving a 48 hour notice where the check points are going to be is a bad idea. I think they should change locations daily. Alcoholics and addicts know when they are going to go out and get drunk and high. I’m sure more would be caught if the check points weren’t advertised before hand.

  4. PAUL VAILLANCOURT says:

    CAN’T WAIT FOR THIS GUY TO RUN AGAIN.

  5. curious says:

    So basically ONCE AGAIN. Cater to the illegals so we don’t offended, or put them in a financially difficult spot. GIVE me a break! DUI check points are for a reason. To announce were they are to be is absurd. Who voted this guy in AND who are the ones who voted to pass? Another example as to why are state is broke! Deal with the basics people!!! WASTING $$$ & time on this bill. Sad

  6. The Truth says:

    OMG… most of the people that have commented so far sound like a bunch of xenophobic simpletons who can’t appreciate their own Constitutional Freedoms.

    1) Oh no, there are illegal immigrants! How many of you people commenting are indigenous peoples of the Americas? Yep, that’s what I thought. Thus, at one point in time, YOUR family were immigrants too. Talk about hypocrisy.

    2) Illegal immigrants HELP our economy. If we were to get rid of all the illegal immigrants in the US tomorrow, our entire economy would plunge into an immediate deep depression that would make our current recession look like nothing in comparison.

    3) The mere fact that you people are so daft as to not understand that your Constitutional Rights trump everything else is mind-boggling. Brave men and women spilled their blood for YOUR freedoms that far too many Americans take for granted. Is catching a few illegal immigrants really worth the cost of giving up your Constitutional Right to being secure in your own person and preventing unwarranted searches??? This just goes to illustrate how abundant your xenophobia truly is.

    4) For those of you that don’t understand the law regarding checkpoints, you can read my previous comments here (also in Santa Rosa):
    h**p://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/05/14/12-arrested-at-santa-rosa-dui-checkpoint/

    5) Thank you to Michael Allen for caring enough about our Constitutional Rights to protect them… even protecting them for many of the people above who are too uneducated to appreciate their immense value in the first place.

    Cheers!

    1. The Cold Hard Truth says:

      1 – Please give it a rest. One of my direct lines arrived in 1650. Your argument is flawed. The people coming from Europe entered the US legally through ports of entry, prior to those being established it was a free for all. Give the whole everyone is an immigrant line a rest.

      2 – Yes, immigrants do the jobs that lazy Americans do not want to do and they do everyone’s lawns and clean their homes. Your argument that complete removal would plunge the economy into ‘an immediate deep depression’ is moot because that is impossible, therefore it is impossible to test your theory. I think our economy fare better than you think. People would simply have to do their own chores.

      3 – Your grasp of 4th Amendment protections needs some work. The Supreme Court has ruled on DUI checkpoints and they are not unconstitutional. Are you an ACLU member? Should you want to take a look at some of the decisions please refer to the following: http://www.iihs.org/laws/checkpoints.html Are you a veteran? I am and have spilled blood some of my own and some of the enemy’s. My father, uncle, brother, and ancestors going back to revolutionary times have all fought and died for this country. So unless you are a veteran or in some field of public service you need to just shut up and say thank you.

      4 – Asked and answered. See #3 above.

      5 – Anyone who is uneducated in the US has ONLY themselves to blame for it. You can come from the poorest neighborhood of the poorest city or town but if you decide to become educated then you will. I know a good many people who grew up in abusive, drug/alcohol dependent homes that educated themselves and have fought and earned their great careers. Library cards are free, unless the latest round of cuts takes out the libraries. The concept that you must be taught is asinine once someone can read and write on their own. However, most people are just lazy and would prefer handouts or to blame other people for their misfortune.

      Sorry, but every illegal alien here is a felon. If you were to enter Mexico illegally the penalty is up to 10 years in prison. But the only people entering Mexico illegally are the latinos fleeing back south after they have committed some atrocious crime here.

      1. The Truth says:

        Part 1:

        TCHT writes: “One of my direct lines arrived in 1650.”

        Oh sweet… so they didn’t arrive to the United States “legally” now did they? After all the US didn’t even exist. In fact, your descendants crossed into sovereign territory against the wishes of the current existing population. Wow… that sounds a lot like “Little Jose” crossing over a fence where he is not welcome by the parts of the existing population such as yourself. Ah, the irony.

        *** “The people coming from Europe entered the US legally through ports of entry”

        Do you ever stop and consider what is “legal” or do you just let policy makers decide that for you? Let’s examine the ridiculous nature of what is “legal” and what is “illegal:” It is akin to a woman getting paid by a man to have sex in the privacy of her hotel room versus a woman getting paid by a man to have s-ex with multiple partners that will be released on DVD for the public to see. The first item is “illegal” as she is deemed a “prosti-tute,” but the second one is perfectly “legal” as she is an “adult film actress.” Thus, the terms legal and illegal are what’s really B-S. If you are able to re-examine your thoughts from scratch with an open mind, you’ll see this to be true.

        In above example, both the prostitute and the po-rn star are doing the EXACT same thing, yet one is deemed “legal” and one is deemed “illegal.” Just because our government says something is legal and something is illegal doesn’t make it right.

        **** “prior to those being established it was a free for all”

        LOL… according to YOUR perspective. Tell that to the indigenous peoples. I’m sure they didn’t mind having the biggest genocide on the planet take place against them.

        Ever heard of phrases like “Cherokee Nation” or “Seminole Nation?” Do you know why they use that sur-term? It is because they were their own NATION. In fact, still today, they have their own sovereignty (though not complete sovereignty because we love to still keep our proverbial thumb on them). .

        **** “Give the whole everyone is an immigrant line a rest.”

        Just because it allows your conscience to sleep better at night pretending this isn’t true doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

        **** “Your argument that complete removal would plunge the economy into ‘an immediate deep depression’ is moot because that is impossible, therefore it is impossible to test your theory.”

        LOL… are you really going to try and make that argument? Really? Are you really that incapable of understanding the gist of that argument? I thought I was debating with an adult. If I have to break it down to simplistic terms, they HELP our economy… is that better for you?

        **** “I think our economy fare better than you think. People would simply have to do their own chores.”

        Ronald Reagan’s personal financial advisor for his first term as President was one of my economic mentors in college. He completely agrees with what I wrote earlier. If you knew anything about economics, you’d understand that “leisure time” has an economic price associated with it. So no, people shouldn’t do their own chores.

        **** “Your grasp of 4th Amendment protections needs some work. The Supreme Court has ruled on DUI checkpoints and they are not unconstitutional”

        If you had read the link I included in my previous post (which was included so I didn’t need to answer this again), you’d see that I already spoke about the SC and the constitutionality of it.

        **** “Are you an ACLU member?”

        Nope, I don’t feel the need to join groups to feel important.

        *** “Are you a veteran?”

        Nope, I don’t feel the need to join groups to feel important once again. In my lifetime of being of age for military service, the only wars of consequence that have been fought have been over oil and other commodities along with fighting abstract concepts like “terrorism” that can never be defeated. The reason why we did “better” (in the eyes of most Americans) in Iraq is that we had a defined “Deck of Cards” which is able to be quantified, but an abstract concept like “Communism” or “Terrorism” can never be defeated. I’m not going to risk my life over Beverly Hillbillies’ bubblin’ crude. If there was ever a cause that I felt was worthy of giving my life to protect the freedoms that we enjoy, I’d be the first in line to enlist/volunteer or if the war ever reached our own soil, I might also choose to organize a militia and protect my nation in that manner.

        While I have an immense amount of respect for our brave men and women in uniform, I’m just not willing to let some shady politicians and military leaders dictate my own precious life. Nothing is stopping me from joining when I see the cause is fit in the future.

        ***** “I am and have spilled blood some of my own and some of the enemy’s.”

        I sincerely thank you for your service. Just out of curiosity, exactly which “enemy’s” blood did you spill and how did that protect our nation?

        **** “My father, uncle, brother, and ancestors going back to revolutionary times have all fought and died for this country.”

        I thank them for their service. The irony is that your ancestors would have fought and died to protect a nation of immigrants… the same ones you currently have xenophobia over.

        **** “So unless you are a veteran or in some field of public service you need to just shut up and say thank you.”

        That statement illustrates a level of naivety. People can serve this country in a myriad of ways besides being in some field of public service or picking up a weapon.

        Continued…

      2. The Truth says:

        Part 2:

        **** “Anyone who is uneducated in the US has ONLY themselves to blame for it.”

        I agree with the gist, but the reality is that kids that have uneducated parents that can’t help them in the learning process or those that live in impoverished neighborhoods with substandard schools are at a major disadvantage despite that utopian ideal.

        ***** “You can come from the poorest neighborhood of the poorest city or town but if you decide to become educated then you will.”

        Stop and imagine for just one second if when you grew up, your parents were illiterate. Say that they never went to high school. Say that your family never served in the military which eventually was a contributing factor in you joining. Say that your parents didn’t even speak English. Do you honestly think that you’d be in the same place educationally wise as you are now? The answer is that more than likely you would not. You would be at a HUGE disadvantage. And while you can say that you could have always gone to college and educated yourself, someone at that large of a disadvantage might not ever fully recognize the importance of an education in the first place.

        *** “I know a good many people who grew up in abusive, drug/alcohol dependent homes that educated themselves and have fought and earned their great careers.”

        And that is a credit to them.

        **** “The concept that you must be taught is asinine once someone can read and write on their own.”

        I agree with this with the caveat that one still needs to “teach” themselves.

        **** “However, most people are just lazy and would prefer handouts or to blame other people for their misfortune.”

        I agree that is true. However, don’t be so quick to judge others. I was extremely fortunate to have grown up in an educated family, with my father a self-made successful businessman, with a stay-at-home mother who went over my homework with me every single night and explained mistakes I had made. However, hubris doesn’t prevent me from realizing that if I grew up in a crack house, with only one parent, who was uneducated and I went to a poor school, that my odds of being educated at the level I am at today are miniscule. The odds that I get hooked into a world of drugs and underachievement would lurk over every dark corner. Would I like to think that I’d be in the same place as I am now? Sure. However, I am not afraid to face reality.

        **** “Sorry, but every illegal alien here is a felon.”

        And I’m sure to the Native Americans, they’d feel the same way about us deep down inside.

        **** “If you were to enter Mexico illegally the penalty is up to 10 years in prison”

        So what? The fact that we are different from other countries is what makes us great.

        No matter what we do, we can never, ever stop people from crossing our borders if they really want to get in. We need to work WITH Mexico to reach a common ground instead of building ridiculous fences.

        **** “But the only people entering Mexico illegally are the latinos fleeing back south after they have committed some atrocious crime here.

        That comment is dripping with blatant xenophobia and ignorant stereotypes. I’ve met plenty of “illegal” immigrants here and almost all of them I’ve met are extremely hard working, good people, that are just trying to make a better life for their families.

        In fact, below is the story of a family of “illegal” immigrants that sent their son to MIT by collecting 8 MILLION aluminum cans and he’s now working in the defense industry. Should we send these people back or are they just the epitome of the American Dream? I say let them stay because they are EXACTLY the kind of people America needs… hard working, dedicated, creative people wanting to do their best and succeeding against all odds… and America as a whole is benefitting as a result.

        http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=1787254

        Continued….

      3. The Truth says:

        Part 3:

        (Note: Over-Hyphenation due to censor here:)

        Wrapping this up, the remaining paragraphs come from a post I did elsewhere. Your family fought for the ideals behind the New Col-ossus. Your family realized this is a great nation forged by a melting po-t of nationalities. It was a nation where we welcomed the downtrodden, not discriminated against them based on education, wealth, class system nor skin color. In any event, here it is:

        People are so quick to slam the door shut on other cultures from entering the US. If they are not Native American, then they are somehow an immigrant via one form or another. Thus, they were given an opportunity at a better life in America…. Therefore, for them not to afford that exact same opportunity to another immigrant who wants it is hypocritical. That is the anti-thesis of what America is all about. We are a land of opportunity, not non-opportunity.

        From the New Col-ossus inside the Statue of Liberty:

        Give me your tired, your poor = America welcomes not only the rich, but also the hard working lower class.

        Your huddled mas-ses year-ning to breathe free = America welcomes those who des-ire a new life filled with freedoms.

        The wretc-hed refuse of your tee-ming shore = America welcomes those that are considered worthless in abundance.

        Send these, the homeless, tem-pest-to-st to me = Send all of the above that have been beat-en down by their adversaries to America.

        I lift my lamp beside the gol-den door! = All of the above are welcome in America where they will be given the opportunities and freedoms that they would not have elsewhere.

        The vast majority of Americans think that the “illegal” immigrants should just follow “legal” protocols. That would be great if they were practical. However that is like saying that a woman should be able to walk down the streets of Har-lem na-ked at 2 am in the morning by herself and not be as-saulted. While yes, that should be the case, but in reality it is just naive to think that.

        The people that make it into this country are almost always those who either have “connections” or those who can afford high priced attorneys to get them in. “Little Pablo” who is hoping to be able to eat tomorrow and lives in a cardboard “house” in Mexico probably doesn’t have the education nor the financial means to ever become a US citizen. Thus, the United States is turning its back on giving Pablo that opportunity. So instead, he takes the opportunity himself and sneaks across the border hoping for a better life for him and his family. That spirit of hard work, ingenuity and inspiration is what makes America great.

        Even people who have lived here for years as permanent residents have a very difficult time of becoming citizens and it can take decades to do so.

        Yet when we have a chance to get some B-S Olympic medal, a special act of Congress can get passed and signed by the President to make Tanith Belbin a US Citizen in time for the Olympic games. Who is more worthy of being a citizen… Tanith who has been a lifelong Canadian or an illegal immigrant (we’ll call him Juan) who has lived in the US for 20 years contributing to the economy? Too bad for Juan that there were no ice rinks in his Mexican barrio.

        As you can see, becoming a citizen is a B-S process that is reserved for those who have the means and the connections to make it in.

        And let’s also not forget that we have brave men and women serving in our armed forces right now that are also not United States citizens. There are roughly 30,000 non-citizens serving in our military and many of them are getting citizenship posthumously. Da-mn, you can risk your life and die to defend this country and not even be a citizen? Yep, Little Pablo stands a great chance of being a citizen very, very soon. ((roll eyes))

        What the “illegal immigrant” argument is really about in this country is simply xenophobia. This is precisely why Americans are SO concerned about a fence along the Mexican border in the name of “National Security” and the inference that we need to “protect” our borders from terrorists. “Amazingly” the 1,950 mile border of Mexico is a top priority, yet the 5,000 mile border with Canada isn’t a big deal. I’m sure skin color and the language barrier has nothing to do with that.

        Then people say how the illegal immigrants are costing American taxpayers money and jobs. This is yet another excuse to mask Americans’ xenophobia. The realities are that if every single “illegal” immigrant left the country tomorrow, our entire economy would collapse spiraling us into a major depression.

        *** Do “illegal” immigrants cost Americans money? Yes.
        *** Do “illegal” immigrants generate money for Americans? Yes.
        *** In the end, the benefits of having the illegal immigrants outweighs the cost of having them for many reasons. The vast majority of economists agree as well.

        The people that suffer from the “illegal” immigrants are those workers that are American citizens who are generally young and unskilled. However, I’ll offer up that an equal argument can be made that the people who are costing these young, unskilled workers these jobs are not the “illegal immigrants,” but rather the young, unskilled workers themselves.

        If you grow up in this country as a citizen, then you are afforded every opportunity to change your social status. People who remain in the “unskilled” category usually (not always, but usually) are there due to choices they have made FOR THEMSELVES in their lives. Perhaps it was being more concerned with sports or video games than their education. Perhaps it was choosing to have se-xual relations that resulted in becoming a parent far too early. Perhaps it was choosing to commit crime that has left them with criminal records that make it difficult to find quality employment. Etc, etc, etc. If these people had made different choices, chose to make education their number one priority, chose to stay out of trouble, worked hard to gain the necessary skills and mentorship to succeed, then they would never be in that position in the first place. So if those people squandered their chance at the American Dream and there are some other hard working people that want to have the American Dream for their own, then more power to them as that is the exact spirit that America was forged upon.

        Cheers!

      4. The Cold Hard Truth says:

        Congratulations on the best written reply I have seen here. Being a veteran is not necessarily about joining a group to feel better about yourself. There are many reasons people join the military. As far as the blood I was forced to spill it was because a poor misunderstander of the peaceful religion of Islam was trying to kill me. I know it did not do anything to benefit this country or “keep it safe,” but it kept me alive as a result. I am well aware of the various indian NATIONS and their somewhat soverign status. I am happy you had one of Reagan’s financial advisors as a mentor. That does not mean I agree with their politics or their economic outlook. The governmental economists have been responsible for the ever increasing scope of financial disasters in this country as a result of their continued de-regulation of the banking industry, so that alone makes me wonder how intelligent they really are in the first place. Just because a professor says something does not make it true. I am sorry to see that you would rather pay someone to do work for you so that you have more ‘recreation’ time. There are some people who take pride in doing their own work, does that make them any less intelligent. Rest assured I have plenty of leisure time for my own recreational and economic pursuits. I loved your prostitute-porn star comparison. That has so many ties to politics that I did find it humorous.

        You are making assumptions about me from my post, such as me being a xenophobe. I used to work with illegals on a daily basis and I would like to think I helped them. I never used my office to act against or discriminate against them. Your arguments that early US settlers are just as illegal as everyone else in my opinion is flawed. Those were extremely different times and this was not even an independent nation. Just like other actions throughout the nation’s history, just because something was legal did not make it right. So, I look forward to reading more of your posts, however you are probably making it quite difficult for a lot of the posters here to understand and you may want to cut it back some. We are after all commenting on badly written news stories in the first place.

      5. The Truth says:

        Part 2:

        *** “You are making assumptions about me from my post, such as me being a xenophobe.”

        I am merely going by the information that I’ve read from your replies. Painting illegals with a broad brush as atrocious criminals who run back to Mexico is an example. You may not have meant it as such, but these are stereotypes I’m attempting to dispel.

        Our society is now filled with a bunch of paranoid people who are afraid of their own shadows. This is why we get virtually stri-pped searched at airports now, why we have more people in prison both per capita and in aggregate of any nation in the world, etc, etc, etc. I think it is important for people to hear the other side of the story that the majority of illegal immigrants aren’t massive menaces to our society.

        **** “I used to work with illegals on a daily basis and I would like to think I helped them.”

        And what is your experience with them? Aren’t most of them good people at heart just trying to provide a better life for themselves and their families?

        *** “I never used my office to act against or discriminate against them.”

        Kudos to you.

        For me personally, as long as they are minding their own business and not breaking any “other” major laws (like gang violence, theft, etc), then I feel it isn’t really my business to intrude on their lives. If they are doing one of those things, I have no problem reporting them to the police just like I would to someone who is a US citizen.

        **** “Your arguments that early US settlers are just as illegal as everyone else in my opinion is flawed. Those were extremely different times and this was not even an independent nation.”

        I understand your point. I’m just trying to get you and others to consider an alternative opinion with an open mind.

        There is a great sequence in Empire Strikes Back when ObiWan was talking to Luke (who was upset about being lied to) about his father (whom ObiWan had previously told Luke was dead). ObiWan says: “Your father… was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true… from a certain point of view.” Luke then screams out, “A certain point of view!!!” To which ObiWan replies, “Luke, you’re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.”

        While it is just a movie, the premise holds some solid wisdom. It is up to us to choose which point of view to maintain. For me, I like to take some steps back, look at the facts objectively, hear both sides of the argument and then reach my own conclusion through independent thought. But what is sensible to me may not be to someone else.

        Articulating that back to the topic at hand, most white people see the Pilgrims as “settlers” while most indigenous people see them as “invaders.” So who is right? Both are right, depending upon point of view.

        As I wrote elsewhere to someone else:

        Let’s also not forget that land was taken from Mexico only about 150 years ago that now makes up all or parts of the modern day states of: California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Kansas, Oklahoma, Wyoming and Texas. But hey, I guess that’s cool. After all, 23% of all the Jews living in Israel were born either in Europe or the United States (with another 10% born in Africa or Asia). Good thing “legally” taking that land from the Arabs has worked out so well for that region.

        The facts are that Mexicans are both our neighbors and our friends. The facts are that this land was theirs not so long ago. The facts are that most of their ancestors were here before most of our ancestors. The facts are that illegal labor is beneficial to the economy. The facts are that we can NEVER, EVER stop illegal immigration. Thus, a reasonable person would conclude that the answer is to work to find a feasible solution that would replace the current inept system that is in place.

        For the record, there is actually a fair amount of resentment by certain sections of Mexico’s population about that land being taken from them. Consider that if California were its own nation, it would rank somewhere between the 5th to 7th largest economy in the world. Texas would rank somewhere between #8 and #10.

        I know that most people in America don’t want to admit it, but without California and Texas, this country wouldn’t be the same. In 2005, California’s GDP was more than TWICE that of all of Mexico. The United States taking the lands of California and Texas alone will pay for all the “illegal” immigration costs (border patrol, healthcare, etc) for thousands of years (based on how much those territories have already benefitted the United States economically).

        So we have “legally” taken all of this land and yet the Native Americans live on P-O-S pieces of real estate and many Mexicans live in poverty ridden barrios. But since we took it “legally” (based on rules we made up), I guess that makes it all fine and dandy.

        Wars happen. Land gets taken. It is the way of the world. But at the same time, for a country that prides itself on being a land of immigrants who welcomes the downtrodden, we have a funny way of showing it if you are a Mexican or a Native American.

        The land is ours now, it ino longer belongs to the Native Americans (minus the reservations which is semi-sovereign federal territory) nor to the Mexicans. However, that doesn’t mean that we can’t cut them some slack and give them some added opportunities… both because the land was once theirs and because of their close proximity.

        *** “So, I look forward to reading more of your posts,”

        Likewise… it is nice to have an actual conversation with someone who can handle it like an adult, even if we disagree on certain points. So thank you.

        *** “however you are probably making it quite difficult for a lot of the posters here to understand and you may want to cut it back some.”

        My goal here is to get people to try and think more for themselves (regardless if it concurs with my own thoughts on an issue) and to appreciate the freedoms that far too many citizens take for granted. I also try to stick up for the “little guy” where ever it is applicable as it would be great to live in a world where we can see each other as humans who all bleed red first and foremost, rather than seeing others based on skin color, language, gender, sexual orientation, disabilities, etc, etc, etc. So if people get even 1% of what I’m saying, then it’s still a start. It only takes a small pebble in a pond to create a giant ripple.

        Moreover, it is of greater importance that people like yourself “understand” than others that can’t. Why? Because our society needs people like yourself to stand up for the little guy as well. Educated people such as yourself can help less educated people to break down social stereotypes and encourage them to think for themselves. Less educated people NEED that type of reassurance or otherwise they will remain lemmings following “the man” and the media blindly off the cliff. You have served your country as a soldier, now your country needs you to serve it in other ways such as educating people to produce their own independent thought.

        We are extremely lucky here in California because of our diversity where we are FAR more accepting of others than certain parts of the country (e.g. Midwest or Deep South) where anyone who is different than the “norm” is an outcast.

        *** “We are after all commenting on badly written news stories in the first place.”

        LOL… that we can definitely agree on 110%.

        Finally, in attempt to give you a good laugh: Paul Rodriguez did a hilarious skit on this topic. He said, “No other country in the world has the ethnic mixture that we have. You go to other countries and you don’t see this mixture. Where else but in America can a Mexican girl date an Irish guy, drive a Japanese car to an Italian restaurant, drink German beer… and be arrested by a black cop? …. I’ve traveled the world…. been deported many times. You go to Japan and all you see is Japanese people. You might see one or two Koreans because those are their Mexicans. Yeah, the world needs Mexicans. You go to Switzerland, they’ve got Italians… those are their Mexicans. You go to Mexico, we’ve got Guatamalans… those are our Mexicans.”
        🙂 🙂 🙂

        And super finally, if you want an even better laugh, check out Penn & Teller’s episode on Immigration. They actually hire some “illegal” immigrants from a Home Depot parking lot, have them construct an actual replica of the proposed border wall and then put them in groups to see which group can get past the wall the fastest… over the wall, under the wall or through the wall. LOL Classic stuff!

        You can view part 1 of it here and use YouTube to find the subsequent parts:

        Cheers!🙂

    2. The Truth says:

      Part 1:

      *** TCHT writes: “Congratulations on the best written reply I have seen here.”

      Thank you and likewise as you chose to address most of my questions whereas the vast majority of people “conveniently” choose to forget them.

      *** “Being a veteran is not necessarily about joining a group to feel better about yourself. There are many reasons people join the military.”

      I agree with that. For ME personally, that is simply my own perspective as it applies to myself. For others, they see it differently. Doesn’t make either one necessarily wrong nor right, just different perspectives.

      For instance, in the case of poor, uneducated youth growing up and looking for a way to change their lives, the military is a great option that can put a roof over their heads, food on the table, money for an education, etc.

      But like I said, I have an immense amount of respect for military personnel and when I see them in a store or the like, I go up to them and say a quick thank you for their service to our country as I think they all deserve that from everyone.

      “As far as the blood I was forced to spill it was because a poor misunderstander of the peaceful religion of Islam was trying to kill me. I know it did not do anything to benefit this country or “keep it safe,” but it kept me alive as a result.”

      I’m not sure if you are trying to be facetious here concerning Islam or if you are being serious. In any event, there are definitely some extreme whac-kjobs in Islam, but they are the exception to the rule… just like there are some extreme whac-kjobs in Christianity (like those who bomb abo-rtion clinics) who are also the exception to the rule.

      In fact, most people who belong to any faith are “misunderstanders” of it… this is precisely why both Christianity and Islam are Abrahamic religions and therefore, for all intents and purposes, believe in the exact same God. Yet these two groups choose to fight and argue with each other over the same God. The irony is downright hilarious.

      As for the blood being spilled, I appreciate your honesty.

      *** “I am well aware of the various indian NATIONS and their somewhat soverign status.”

      The point I am attempting to get across is that both you and I were granted an incredible opportunity in this country. Our ancestors had a lot to do with our opportunity.

      Now stop and imagine if you or I were not so fortunate and grew up in a Tijuana ghe-tto. Say that you and I wanted the opportunities offered in the US. Are we simply scre-wed because we grew up on the wrong side of some P-O-S “river?”

      What would you do? Would you stay in TJ and have zero chance of any real future or would you try to come here? I know I’d try to come here.

      Now keep in mind that it wasn’t all that long ago that we took California and other states from Mexico… some are only one generation removed from this heist. Here we are telling Israel to give back its lands it won in the war, yet we have no problem keeping our conquest land here.

      I’m not saying we should hand Cali and these other states back to Mexico for free, but at the very least we can and should be much more accommodating to its people who seek opportunities here in land that was once theirs.

      *** I am happy you had one of Reagan’s financial advisors as a mentor. That does not mean I agree with their politics or their economic outlook.

      It isn’t political nor an economic outlook as much as it is fact. The illegals fill a huge void in our workforce.

      I wrote this to someone else who insisted that “legal” Mexicans were fine, but not illegal ones for our economy:

      What is “legal?” I got an idea, let’s make every single “illegal” person in America “legal.” Guess what?!? Our country has just fallen into a recession now. “Illegals” are now “legal” and must get paid minimum wage. Some farmers are already going out of business as they are dependent on illegal cheap labor. The restaurant industry is in a collapsing spiral as not only can they not afford as much cheap labor, but their cost of goods (produce) has skyrocketed. Restaurants are going out of business and waiters, chefs, hostesses, owners, delivery drivers, etc are now all unemployed. Because of the large spike in unemployment, there is now a surpluss supply of skilled workers for a tighter demand for jobs. Guess what that means… yep… lower salaries and tougher compet-ition for the other jobs in the marketplace. Lower salaries mean less money for the American consumer to spend on luxury items such as TV’s, going on vacation, buying new cars, etc. Now all of those industries suffer and the spiral continues as it starts to affect American after American after American in all different walks of life. All of that chaos for what… that’s right… a B-S sheet of paper from the government that costs a whopping $330 to file. Because after all, that $330 makes that person “legal” which apparently to some people makes all the difference.

      That same $330 might just as well be $1M to some ridiculously poor people south of the border who can’t even afford to put food on the table to feed their families. it isn’t a ton of money to us, but it is a fortune to them.

      So back to what is “legal”… Isn’t “legal” just really a piece of paper? Jane and John lived together for 20 years, have 5 kids, attend PTA meetings, etc. Jane and John are not married. But then they cave in and give the government money and get a piece of paper (marriage certificate) that says, “I’m legal!” Tommy has been driving his father’s Ford truck out on the farm in South Dakota for 20 years. He pays the government money to get a piece of paper (license) that says “I’m legal!” Jacques has been living in the US since he was one year old and working in the United States since he was 11 years old. Jacques is now 36 and is living in the country illegally as his parents came from France and never paid the money to become citizens. Jacques then pays the government money and now he gets a piece of paper that says, “I’m legal!”

      So what’s my point? My point is that the piece of paper is B-S! Does John love Jane more now because he has some stupid piece of paper saying that they are now “legal?” No. Is Tommy some incredible driver now that he has some piece of paper saying he is “legal?” No. Is Jacques now more of a person that he has a piece of paper saying he is “legal?” No.

      *** “The governmental economists have been responsible for the ever increasing scope of financial disasters in this country as a result of their continued de-regulation of the banking industry, so that alone makes me wonder how intelligent they really are in the first place.”

      I agree.. the government has become a joke. However, we are the dolts who keep electing these fools into office… so the joke is really on us.

      Americans have been brainwashed into believing a vote that isn’t for a Republican nor Democrat is a “wasted vote” and they are too daft to realize that the opposite is true. If EVERYONE who was upset with the current state of affairs DIDN’T vote Rep or Dem, then we’d get fresh blood into office.

      *** “Just because a professor says something does not make it true.”

      That is true, however it is the consensus of most economists regardless of party.

      *** “I am sorry to see that you would rather pay someone to do work for you so that you have more ‘recreation’ time.”

      Imagine when Steve Jobs started off creating Apple in his garage. If he didn’t pay other people to do his work for him, he’d still be in his garage. That is how companies grow because one person can’t do everything. At some point, delegating comes into play whether it be in business or in your personal life.

      *** “There are some people who take pride in doing their own work, does that make them any less intelligent.”

      Absolutely not. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.

      *** “Rest assured I have plenty of leisure time for my own recreational and economic pursuits.”

      I know what you are saying. My own father grew up on a farm and so I too value the concept of hard work and taking pride in it as that is something that he instilled in me.

      Think about it like this: Say that you are able to retire early and live a comfortable life. Say that in your spare time, you decide to start your own company selling a secret family BBQ sauce that you plan to take nationwide. You’ve got a 1 acre piece of property and three dogs.

      So you can try and manage your budding business that is keeping you swamped and then in your “free time” go and spend hours cutting the gra-ss and mowing the lawns. You’ve also got to walk the dogs and pick up their cr-ap off of the lawn. While it is perfectly fine to take pride in doing all that, you lose out on leisure time activities such as playing catch with your sons or taking them out camping or getting a mas-sage from a hot lady, etc.

      Thus, one needs to factor in the value that hiring someone to walk the dogs, brush the dogs, bathe the dogs, feed the dogs, pick up their cr-ap, mow the lawns, water the plants, etc provides you with.

      In this case, then you are allowing yourself to enjoy the dogs more because now you get to simply play with them and not worry about the downside that comes with owning a pet. Nothing stops you from walking them or feeding them or even picking up their cr-ap whenever you feel like it. If you truly love picking up their cr-ap then that’s one thing, but more than likely you’d rather be out at a football game with your sons instead.

      Even something as simple as deciding whether or not to purchase a riding lawn mower instead of a push mower is relevant. Say that it takes you 3 hours to mow your acre of lawns with a push mower, but you can do it all in 1 hour with a riding mower. Say that you mow your lawns 2 times per month. That’s a savings of 48 hours per year or 2 full days of “extra” time. If you can get a riding mower for say $400, you then need to balance whether or not having an extra 48 hours of “leisure time” sitting by the pool or watching sports every single year is worth a one time fee of $400.

      *** “I loved your prostitute-porn star comparison. That has so many ties to politics that I did find it humorous.”

      LOL… thanks. I hadn’t thought of the political tie-in, but you are correct. You win a “cigar”… the tie-ins just keep “coming”… 🙂

      I actually have a friend who went to work for a police department cracking down on prost-itutes. I asked her why she was doing it and she gave me the typical response. So I told her what I told you except in more detail and I could see the “light bulb” go off in her head when she realized it was the same thing. About a year later, she transferred out of that task force into one not relating to prost-itution.

      Continued…

  7. Nunya Business says:

    I couldn’t agree more with “the truth” in the comment above mine. It seems like the cops are out looking for trouble, looking to bust people. Instead of dealing with trouble when it is happening. They fish for people to bust. And that is not what they get paid to do. They keep the peace, not make trouble. Everyone has dirt, everyone here is guilty of going to a bar and having a drink or two and then driving. You should be able to do that without being harassed by the cops. When you start swerving all over the road, that is when cops should intervene. So thank you Assemblyman Allen, its about time somebody stepped up and regulated the authorities!!! I think more of these type of laws need to be passed. Checks and balances are a damn good thing!!!!

  8. The Truth says:

    *** TCHT writes: “Congratulations on the best written reply I have seen here.”

    Thank you and likewise as you chose to address most of my questions whereas the vast majority of people “conveniently” choose to forget them.

    *** “Being a veteran is not necessarily about joining a group to feel better about yourself. There are many reasons people join the military.”

    I agree with that. For ME personally, that is simply my own perspective as it applies to myself. For others, they see it differently. Doesn’t make either one necessarily wrong nor right, just different perspectives.

    For instance, in the case of poor, uneducated youth growing up and looking for a way to change their lives, the military is a great option that can put a roof over their heads, food on the table, money for an education, etc.

    But like I said, I have an immense amount of respect for military personnel and when I see them in a store or the like, I go up to them and say a quick thank you for their service to our country as I think they all deserve that from everyone.

    “As far as the blood I was forced to spill it was because a poor misunderstander of the peaceful religion of Islam was trying to kill me. I know it did not do anything to benefit this country or “keep it safe,” but it kept me alive as a result.”

    I’m not sure if you are trying to be facetious here concerning Islam or if you are being serious. In any event, there are definitely some extreme whac-kjobs in Islam, but they are the exception to the rule… just like there are some extreme whac-kjobs in Christianity (like those who bomb abo-rtion clinics) who are also the exception to the rule.

    In fact, most people who belong to any faith are “misunderstanders” of it… this is precisely why both Christianity and Islam are Abrahamic religions and therefore, for all intents and purposes, believe in the exact same God. Yet these two groups choose to fight and argue with each other over the same God. The irony is downright hilarious.

    As for the blood being spilled, I appreciate your honesty.

    *** “I am well aware of the various indian NATIONS and their somewhat soverign status.”

    The point I am attempting to get across is that both you and I were granted an incredible opportunity in this country. Our ancestors had a lot to do with our opportunity.

    Now stop and imagine if you or I were not so fortunate and grew up in a Tijuana ghe-tto. Say that you and I wanted the opportunities offered in the US. Are we simply scre-wed because we grew up on the wrong side of some P-O-S “river?”

    What would you do? Would you stay in TJ and have zero chance of any real future or would you try to come here? I know I’d try to come here.

    Now keep in mind that it wasn’t all that long ago that we took California and other states from Mexico… some are only one generation removed from this heist. Here we are telling Israel to give back its lands it won in the war, yet we have no problem keeping our conquest land here.

    I’m not saying we should hand Cali and these other states back to Mexico for free, but at the very least we can and should be much more accommodating to its people who seek opportunities here in land that was once theirs.

    *** I am happy you had one of Reagan’s financial advisors as a mentor. That does not mean I agree with their politics or their economic outlook.

    It isn’t political nor an economic outlook as much as it is fact. The illegals fill a huge void in our workforce.

    I wrote this to someone else who insisted that “legal” Mexicans were fine, but not illegal ones for our economy:

    What is “legal?” I got an idea, let’s make every single “illegal” person in America “legal.” Guess what?!? Our country has just fallen into a recession now. “Illegals” are now “legal” and must get paid minimum wage. Some farmers are already going out of business as they are dependent on illegal cheap labor. The restaurant industry is in a collapsing spiral as not only can they not afford as much cheap labor, but their cost of goods (produce) has skyrocketed. Restaurants are going out of business and waiters, chefs, hostesses, owners, delivery drivers, etc are now all unemployed. Because of the large spike in unemployment, there is now a surpluss supply of skilled workers for a tighter demand for jobs. Guess what that means… yep… lower salaries and tougher compet-ition for the other jobs in the marketplace. Lower salaries mean less money for the American consumer to spend on luxury items such as TV’s, going on vacation, buying new cars, etc. Now all of those industries suffer and the spiral continues as it starts to affect American after American after American in all different walks of life. All of that chaos for what… that’s right… a B-S sheet of paper from the government that costs a whopping $330 to file. Because after all, that $330 makes that person “legal” which apparently to some people makes all the difference.

    That same $330 might just as well be $1M to some ridiculously poor people south of the border who can’t even afford to put food on the table to feed their families. it isn’t a ton of money to us, but it is a fortune to them.

    So back to what is “legal”… Isn’t “legal” just really a piece of paper? Jane and John lived together for 20 years, have 5 kids, attend PTA meetings, etc. Jane and John are not married. But then they cave in and give the government money and get a piece of paper (marriage certificate) that says, “I’m legal!” Tommy has been driving his father’s Ford truck out on the farm in South Dakota for 20 years. He pays the government money to get a piece of paper (license) that says “I’m legal!” Jacques has been living in the US since he was one year old and working in the United States since he was 11 years old. Jacques is now 36 and is living in the country illegally as his parents came from France and never paid the money to become citizens. Jacques then pays the government money and now he gets a piece of paper that says, “I’m legal!”

    So what’s my point? My point is that the piece of paper is B-S! Does John love Jane more now because he has some stupid piece of paper saying that they are now “legal?” No. Is Tommy some incredible driver now that he has some piece of paper saying he is “legal?” No. Is Jacques now more of a person that he has a piece of paper saying he is “legal?” No.

    *** “The governmental economists have been responsible for the ever increasing scope of financial disasters in this country as a result of their continued de-regulation of the banking industry, so that alone makes me wonder how intelligent they really are in the first place.”

    I agree.. the government has become a joke. However, we are the dolts who keep electing these fools into office… so the joke is really on us.

    Americans have been brainwashed into believing a vote that isn’t for a Republican nor Democrat is a “wasted vote” and they are too daft to realize that the opposite is true. If EVERYONE who was upset with the current state of affairs DIDN’T vote Rep or Dem, then we’d get fresh blood into office.

    *** “Just because a professor says something does not make it true.”

    That is true, however it is the consensus of most economists regardless of party.

    *** “I am sorry to see that you would rather pay someone to do work for you so that you have more ‘recreation’ time.”

    Imagine when Steve Jobs started off creating Apple in his garage. If he didn’t pay other people to do his work for him, he’d still be in his garage. That is how companies grow because one person can’t do everything. At some point, delegating comes into play whether it be in business or in your personal life.

    *** “There are some people who take pride in doing their own work, does that make them any less intelligent.”

    Absolutely not. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.

    *** “Rest assured I have plenty of leisure time for my own recreational and economic pursuits.”

    I know what you are saying. My own father grew up on a farm and so I too value the concept of hard work and taking pride in it as that is something that he instilled in me.

    Think about it like this: Say that you are able to retire early and live a comfortable life. Say that in your spare time, you decide to start your own company selling a secret family BBQ sauce that you plan to take nationwide. You’ve got a 1 acre piece of property and three dogs.

    So you can try and manage your budding business that is keeping you swamped and then in your “free time” go and spend hours cutting the gra-ss and mowing the lawns. You’ve also got to walk the dogs and pick up their cr-ap off of the lawn. While it is perfectly fine to take pride in doing all that, you lose out on leisure time activities such as playing catch with your sons or taking them out camping or getting a mas-sage from a hot lady, etc.

    Thus, one needs to factor in the value that hiring someone to walk the dogs, brush the dogs, bathe the dogs, feed the dogs, pick up their cr-ap, mow the lawns, water the plants, etc provides you with.

    In this case, then you are allowing yourself to enjoy the dogs more because now you get to simply play with them and not worry about the downside that comes with owning a pet. Nothing stops you from walking them or feeding them or even picking up their cr-ap whenever you feel like it. If you truly love picking up their cr-ap then that’s one thing, but more than likely you’d rather be out at a football game with your sons instead.

    Even something as simple as deciding whether or not to purchase a riding lawn mower instead of a push mower is relevant. Say that it takes you 3 hours to mow your acre of lawns with a push mower, but you can do it all in 1 hour with a riding mower. Say that you mow your lawns 2 times per month. That’s a savings of 48 hours per year or 2 full days of “extra” time. If you can get a riding mower for say $400, you then need to balance whether or not having an extra 48 hours of “leisure time” sitting by the pool or watching sports every single year is worth a one time fee of $400.

    *** “I loved your prostitute-porn star comparison. That has so many ties to politics that I did find it humorous.”

    LOL… thanks. I hadn’t thought of the political tie-in, but you are correct. You win a “cigar”… the tie-ins just keep “coming”… 🙂

    I actually have a friend who went to work for a police department cracking down on prost-itutes. I asked her why she was doing it and she gave me the typical response. So I told her what I told you except in more detail and I could see the “light bulb” go off in her head when she realized it was the same thing. About a year later, she transferred out of that task force into one not relating to prost-itution.

    Continued…

  9. The Truth says:

    *** “You are making assumptions about me from my post, such as me being a xenophobe.”

    I am merely going by the information that I’ve read from your replies. Painting illegals with a broad brush as atrocious criminals who run back to Mexico is an example. You may not have meant it as such, but these are stereotypes I’m attempting to dispel.

    Our society is now filled with a bunch of paranoid people who are afraid of their own shadows. This is why we get virtually stri-pped searched at airports now, why we have more people in prison both per capita and in aggregate of any nation in the world, etc, etc, etc. I think it is important for people to hear the other side of the story that the majority of illegal immigrants aren’t massive menaces to our society.

    **** “I used to work with illegals on a daily basis and I would like to think I helped them.”

    And what is your experience with them? Aren’t most of them good people at heart just trying to provide a better life for themselves and their families?

    *** “I never used my office to act against or discriminate against them.”

    Kudos to you.

    For me personally, as long as they are minding their own business and not breaking any “other” major laws (like gang violence, theft, etc), then I feel it isn’t really my business to intrude on their lives. If they are doing one of those things, I have no problem reporting them to the police just like I would to someone who is a US citizen.

    **** “Your arguments that early US settlers are just as illegal as everyone else in my opinion is flawed. Those were extremely different times and this was not even an independent nation.”

    I understand your point. I’m just trying to get you and others to consider an alternative opinion with an open mind.

    There is a great sequence in Empire Strikes Back when ObiWan was talking to Luke (who was upset about being lied to) about his father (whom ObiWan had previously told Luke was dead). ObiWan says: “Your father… was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true… from a certain point of view.” Luke then screams out, “A certain point of view!!!” To which ObiWan replies, “Luke, you’re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.”

    While it is just a movie, the premise holds some solid wisdom. It is up to us to choose which point of view to maintain. For me, I like to take some steps back, look at the facts objectively, hear both sides of the argument and then reach my own conclusion through independent thought. But what is sensible to me may not be to someone else.

    Articulating that back to the topic at hand, most white people see the Pilgrims as “settlers” while most indigenous people see them as “invaders.” So who is right? Both are right, depending upon point of view.

    As I wrote elsewhere to someone else:

    Let’s also not forget that land was taken from Mexico only about 150 years ago that now makes up all or parts of the modern day states of: California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Kansas, Oklahoma, Wyoming and Texas. But hey, I guess that’s cool. After all, 23% of all the Jews living in Israel were born either in Europe or the United States (with another 10% born in Africa or Asia). Good thing “legally” taking that land from the Arabs has worked out so well for that region.

    The facts are that Mexicans are both our neighbors and our friends. The facts are that this land was theirs not so long ago. The facts are that most of their ancestors were here before most of our ancestors. The facts are that illegal labor is beneficial to the economy. The facts are that we can NEVER, EVER stop illegal immigration. Thus, a reasonable person would conclude that the answer is to work to find a feasible solution that would replace the current inept system that is in place.

    For the record, there is actually a fair amount of resentment by certain sections of Mexico’s population about that land being taken from them. Consider that if California were its own nation, it would rank somewhere between the 5th to 7th largest economy in the world. Texas would rank somewhere between #8 and #10.

    I know that most people in America don’t want to admit it, but without California and Texas, this country wouldn’t be the same. In 2005, California’s GDP was more than TWICE that of all of Mexico. The United States taking the lands of California and Texas alone will pay for all the “illegal” immigration costs (border patrol, healthcare, etc) for thousands of years (based on how much those territories have already benefitted the United States economically).

    So we have “legally” taken all of this land and yet the Native Americans live on P-O-S pieces of real estate and many Mexicans live in poverty ridden barrios. But since we took it “legally” (based on rules we made up), I guess that makes it all fine and dandy.

    Wars happen. Land gets taken. It is the way of the world. But at the same time, for a country that prides itself on being a land of immigrants who welcomes the downtrodden, we have a funny way of showing it if you are a Mexican or a Native American.

    The land is ours now, it ino longer belongs to the Native Americans (minus the reservations which is semi-sovereign federal territory) nor to the Mexicans. However, that doesn’t mean that we can’t cut them some slack and give them some added opportunities… both because the land was once theirs and because of their close proximity.

    *** “So, I look forward to reading more of your posts,”

    Likewise… it is nice to have an actual conversation with someone who can handle it like an adult, even if we disagree on certain points. So thank you.

    *** “however you are probably making it quite difficult for a lot of the posters here to understand and you may want to cut it back some.”

    My goal here is to get people to try and think more for themselves (regardless if it concurs with my own thoughts on an issue) and to appreciate the freedoms that far too many citizens take for granted. I also try to stick up for the “little guy” where ever it is applicable as it would be great to live in a world where we can see each other as humans who all bleed red first and foremost, rather than seeing others based on skin color, language, gender, sexual orientation, disabilities, etc, etc, etc. So if people get even 1% of what I’m saying, then it’s still a start. It only takes a small pebble in a pond to create a giant ripple.

    Moreover, it is of greater importance that people like yourself “understand” than others that can’t. Why? Because our society needs people like yourself to stand up for the little guy as well. Educated people such as yourself can help less educated people to break down social stereotypes and encourage them to think for themselves. Less educated people NEED that type of reassurance or otherwise they will remain lemmings following “the man” and the media blindly off the cliff. You have served your country as a soldier, now your country needs you to serve it in other ways such as educating people to produce their own independent thought.

    We are extremely lucky here in California because of our diversity where we are FAR more accepting of others than certain parts of the country (e.g. Midwest or Deep South) where anyone who is different than the “norm” is an outcast.

    *** “We are after all commenting on badly written news stories in the first place.”

    LOL… that we can definitely agree on 110%.

    Finally, in attempt to give you a good laugh: Paul Rodriguez did a hilarious skit on this topic. He said, “No other country in the world has the ethnic mixture that we have. You go to other countries and you don’t see this mixture. Where else but in America can a Mexican girl date an Irish guy, drive a Japanese car to an Italian restaurant, drink German beer… and be arrested by a black cop? …. I’ve traveled the world…. been deported many times. You go to Japan and all you see is Japanese people. You might see one or two Koreans because those are their Mexicans. Yeah, the world needs Mexicans. You go to Switzerland, they’ve got Italians… those are their Mexicans. You go to Mexico, we’ve got Guatamalans… those are our Mexicans.”
    🙂 🙂 🙂

    And super finally, if you want an even better laugh, check out Penn & Teller’s episode on Immigration. They actually hire some “illegal” immigrants from a Home Depot parking lot, have them construct an actual replica of the proposed border wall and then put them in groups to see which group can get past the wall the fastest… over the wall, under the wall or through the wall. LOL Classic stuff!!

    You can view part 1 of it here and use YouTube to find the subsequent parts:

    h**p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9ffO9mLlEo

    Cheers!🙂

    1. The Cold Hard Truth says:

      I definitely want to say, “Thank you for an actual thought provoking discussion.” Most usually this all degrades into people insulting each other. I always approach situations with an open mind. I do not have much time right now as I have business to attend, but I think attempts to get people to think for themselves sadly will go for naught. And I did enjoy the Penn & Teller, love their show, as well as Paul Rodriguez.

      See you around.

      1. The Truth says:

        ****** TCHT writes: “I definitely want to say, “Thank you for an actual thought provoking discussion.” Most usually this all degrades into people insulting each other.”

        It takes two to tango (unless it is in a Geico commercial where it can be three…lol). So the compliment sincerely goes out to you as well.

        ****** “I always approach situations with an open mind… but I think attempts to get people to think for themselves sadly will go for naught.”

        I agree that most will go for naught. Unfortunately, I’ve seen it first hand myself far too many times. However, if no one tries, then it will guaranteed that nothing will change.

        When you and I grew up, we had teachers and parents be our main source of information. If someone in the Deep South grew up with racially intolerant teachers and parents, then the whole community likely fell mainly into that category as well. Thus, the outlets for those kids were slim to non-existent to hear other points of view.

        Today, the Internet is a game changer. I don’t think most people recognize exactly how powerful of a tool this will be in educating future generations in terms of social beliefs and critical thinking. The Internet allows people such as you and I to help shape and mold those future generations if we have the right audience at the other end of the computer.

        I’ve been on countless sites and maybe “fully reach” a small percentage of people. At the same time, for those that I don’t fully reach, a huge percentage of them get “seeds” planted. The seed might not grow this year nor the next, but it might eventually grow sometime down the road as that person hears more people making a similar argument. And if the seed never grows, that is fine too… as the saying goes, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

        And on my end, I get to educate myself further in the process. By having philosophical type discussions with people like yourself and getting to hear opposing points of view, I get to challenge my own belief schema as well. If I find a flaw in my information, then I can alter that belief as it does me no good to hold false beliefs.

        **** “And I did enjoy the Penn & Teller, love their show, as well as Paul Rodriguez.”

        LOL… cool! 🙂

        *** “See you around.”

        For sure… thanks again for the good conversation and your service to our country.

        Cheers!

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