San Francisco Restaurant Workers Want To Make 25% Standard Tip Rate

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF/99.7 Now) – It’s a question many of us ask when we go out to a restaurant. “How much should I tip?” Whether your service is good or bad, some San Francisco restaurant workers want to implement a 25% standard tip onto your bill for you, according to an article in the Contra Costa Times.

Is this fair? Some in the food industry say “yes, it’s about time.” However, many “foodies” are not as happy with the idea. According to the Times, for the most part, people, on average tip between 15% – 20% and the restaurant worker actually has to claim 15% with the IRS.

Those opposed to the increase noted in the article that “the whole purpose of a tip is to reward service.” They feel the new tip increase should be earned and if more is needed, then they must step up their service so that the increase justifies a larger tip amount.

Jeffrey Pollack, a spokesperson for the Fisherman’s Wharf Restaurant Association, told CBS San Francisco that most restaurant owners “would not support mandatory tips” and certainly not 25%. He said such a move would be bad for business by discouraging locals from dining out and would harm tourism to the city as well.

Not everyone is against the idea though. Some consumers told the Mercury News that they feel with the state of the nation’s economy is in, that 25% is not unreasonable, and some tip above the average already. Some people went a step further to say if you want to reward service, you must start tipping the workers at fast food places as well. Most fast food workers earn minimum wage and rarely get tips.

What are your thoughts?
Are you for the mandatory increase or against it?
Have you ever worked in the restaurant business?
Is this 25% tip mandate fair?

Let us know what you think under our
comments section, below…

Originally published by Mary Diaz at 99.7 Now

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  • Mark

    I have two words for these dopes: EAT ME! I tip between 15 and 20% depending on service, sometimes but rarely more. If this becomes standard, not even leaving room for a lower tip for poor service, I will no longer dine in SF. Meals are mostly overpriced there already. Learn something from the NetFlix fiasco, you greedy jerks!

    • Tom Francl

      You’ve got that right! Burger King, here I come. Oh wait, would I have to tip those servers too?

      • rashid

        A surgeon saved my life. Should I have tipped him?

      • rashid

        A barmaid slides a beer across the bar. She gets 25% for it?

      • rashid

        Europe has added service to the check for years. Problem is, a tip has crept in on top of that. The winner in SF will be Safeway.

      • ComSenseWiz

        I live in San Francisco and dining out costs have already gone up due to healthcare tax. A automatic 25% on top of that is ridiculous. I only dine out at private clubs I am a member of in town. All other dining out is out of town only.

        A tip has always been voluntary based on actual service delivered. I tip 15-20% if normal good service. If excellent service, then 20-25%. If poor service, then little if any tip with final visit to applicable establishment. Pay for performance works and anything else does not work.

        There are plenty of restaurant fish in the sea. Deliver what I seek or perish. If you don’t like it, go pound sand.

      • George

        Have worked in food/kitchen/restaurant service
        —plenty goes on with food before it arrives at table
        —have seen food spilled in even broken glass, bugs, spit on, picked off the floor,snotted on, reused from other patron…and more
        —many slimeballs work in food service

        Restaurants can be quite unsavory places.
        I’m do not use them.

      • American Man 2012


      • Edward Boothe

        This restaurant would get none of my business and I hope they would go bankrupt.

      • LAstud

        I’m with you ComSenseWiz. I was in SF last year and couldn’t believe that I had a ‘helathcare tax’ added to my bill. On top of all the bums, drug addicts and trash on the street that was the straw that broke the camels back. SF is nearly bankrupt and now they want to drive even more business away. You know what go ahead.. drive yourselves into the ground!

    • Matt

      good, leave.

      • CincinnatusAmericanus

        Leave, yourself, Matt! And take the 25% with you!

      • Atlas Shrugged

        You are a fool Matt. This will only backfire.
        You will see waiters beiing let go as restarurants around the city go broke.

        The difference between US waiters and those in Europe is to the Europeans it’s a profession and top service is always expected.
        In the US it’s usually losers like Matt who can’t find a real job or are part-time while they study for their advanced degree in Anthropology or Green Energy.

      • Hilda

        It appears matt, who uses a powerhouse of words, is one of those who presents himself thus: “I’m here, you owe me “.

      • stopthe

        The other difference between Europe and the U.S. is that in Europe, waiting is an art, and culinary arts are much more revered than they are here. I hardly ever get a waiter in the U.S., in any establishment, that is worth a 25% tip.

        If waiters in the U.S. want more compensation for what they do, they have options at their disposal: they can unionize, and/or they can increase their performance. Using the force of government is nothing but thuggery and will backfire on businesses. Like the minimum wage law, all it will do is increase unemployment.

      • cindyw

        I went to England a few years ago and the service wasn’t even on a par with service you get in the States. I don’t know what it’s like in Italy or France, but definitely in England you could tell that the waiters did NOT work for tips.

      • Server

        Agreed. Leave. The people who feel working in the service industry is for someone who is uneducated or for the lowest of the low should stay home anyway. Most people who actually appreciate the experience tip 25% anyway.

      • Doby Gillis

        Did so….7 years ago. You can have it.

      • peter

        with an attitude like that you must split your time with the occupy SF folks and providing bad service to evil rich people that can afford to eat out

      • barro417

        Adam – You are correct that $2.13 is the minimum base wage; however, Federal law requires employers to make up the difference when tip credits added to the base wage are less than minimum wage. Therefore, all waiters make at least minimum wage through base wages and tips.

    • benth165

      Right On Mark. My centiments exactly !!!

      • dbeall

        That would be “sentiments.” The fact is that 25% is entirely too much. I always tip 20% for excellent service. 15% is minimum. 25% is too much.

      • Dean

        Yeah I’m a liberal and I want you to give me more whether I work harder for it or not. I just deserve more of your money because I breath.

      • G

        Maybe if you went to school and learned yourself something…….’nuff said

      • Ben Dover

        dbeall, I think benth165 meant to spell centiment that way on purpose. Combining “cent” and “sentiment” in a way to confer a meaning of feelings about money.

        benth165 may have just “coined” a new word.

      • Grim Spirit

        I do not feel compelled by a percentage. I am compelled by the quality of service. For good service I usually tip MORE than 20% (one time, I tipped over 100%). For poor service the percentage goes down.

        In this case, I will just opt out. Keep your 25%, keep your food and keep your ‘pay me becasue I exist’ attitude.

        You, and your restaurant, will get exactly no money from me.

      • obe one

        Dude, I used to e a waiter and I made good money at 15- 20% sometimes double tipped on large parties, as I provided good service. Work hard and earn it!

      • Dr Spock

        dbeall: You make no sense. ZERO is the minimum (for bad/rude service) NEVER 15%. Get a clue !

      • Sty

        @Ben Dover “benth165 may have just “coined” a new word.”

        I see what you did there

      • Adam

        None of you have experience as a server I can see. If that were the case, you would understand that tips are basically the only money we make. We don’t get paid the minimum wage that others do, we get $2.13 per hour. It is only enough to cover the taxes. We don’t get a paycheck, we get tips. We also have to use our tips to pay the bussers, bartenders, and hosts. If you don’t like it or don’t have enough money to tip, stay home.

      • Voice of Reason

        Adam, it’s obvious YOU’VE never been a server in CALIFORNIA. Unlike most of the other states in the US, California labor law mandates that servers get paid minimum wage in addition to their tips (most states allow a below average base wage, with the assumption that tips will bring the wage up to minimum wage level). This is why wait staff in California at a decently patronized restaurant or bar actually make very good money (often more than people in many non-wait staff jobs). Thus this notion of mandating any level of tip, much less one equal to a quarter of the cost of the food, is pure greed.

    • Tom

      Well said, I concur.

      • Sammie Jo

        TIPS stands for “to insure prompt service” what incentive is there to do so if you already know how big a tip you are going to get?
        I have worked in and owned a restaurant, if you give good service, you will get a good tip. Yes, every so often you get a cheapskate, but on the whole, you make good money.
        The only time I am okay with a mandetory tip is when it is a large party, 6 or more or a banquet. For some reason, large parties seem to undertip and the waiter has worked himself to death.

    • rudebutcool

      redistribution of wealth rears its head again…not getting paid for quality of work..only that your lazy butt shows up is enough for some…maybe you could hire some of those high quality OWS bums to wait tables for you and see what you get for your 25%…99% give about 2% effort

      • Sally

        John Payton- For your own sake I hope you don’t eat in the same restaurant twice because I guarantee that the servers that you don’t tip remember your face. If you are dumb enough to eat in the same restaurant more than once I would be willing to bet that you have consumed various things that would horrify you if you knew that you were eating them.

      • RufusVonDufus

        Bingo, bango, bongo we have a winner! Obama’s redistribution to those who only want to show up on payday!

      • ljm

        You guys have the wrong attitude. The fine folks of SF should pay more. How else will they be able to pay for the illegal aliens in your Sancuary City. You guys keep electing these politically correct Bozos, and deserve what you get.


        why 25%..why not 100%?….who makes these arbitrary decisions?…oh right the commies in I have said people are the definition of INSANITY!!!!

      • John Payton

        I agree with you. As a matter of fact, I don’t tip at all; regardless of the service. I figure, if my wife and I save 15% of each meal…maybe an average of $5.00-$6.00…then every 10th meal in a restaurant will be free! LOL
        Can’t beat those odds. Save on tips and eat a free meal once in awhile.

    • John Galt

      Things to consider here:
      Most of the people eating at those establishments have also been affected by the economy and are trying to watch their spending as well. This may just be enough to put them over the top and stop eating in SF

      As the food establishments raise their prices, by default the tip value goes up, and SF has some of the highest resturaunt food prices in the country/ Therefore the tips in SF are some of the highest in the country

      The sense of entitlement among the food workers in SF is atonishing, but predictable. This is the land of Nancy Pelosi after all, and only in a parallel universe such as SF could she exist

      • kurt

        Hey, Adam. I have plenty of money. I tip what I feel is deserved, anywhere from 0% to way over 25. I can see with your arrogance, you’d be closer to the first figure.

      • Jeff

        Well, exactly! People writing and supporting these policies have no understanding of basic economics. And the servers supporting it are short-sighted. Sure, there will be an increase per customer in tips, likely 10% per bill. But the economy is affecting the diner as much as the server, and what amounts to a mandated 10-25% increase in prices (in reality, it is a 10% increase for eating out) will ultimately reduce the number of diners. In the short-term, the servers will benefit. In the long term, when the restaurant goes out of business–or the diners stop coming in (25% of a $0 bill is still $0)–the policy will kill jobs in SF.

      • LAstud

        Well said. I laugh when I read ‘who could possibly elect Nancy Pelosi’. If they visit SF they’ll understand.

      • Adam

        If you are strapped and can’t afford to go out, don’t go out. Common sense!

      • Jay

        Interesting point John.

        About 6 years ago, SF City unilaterally declared that the minimum wage for tipped workers would be raised to $8 per hour. Overnight, this increased the base wage paid to waiters, chambermaids, banquet employees, etc by a factor of almost 4! This in effect was done to redistribute wages to low income service industry workers.

        As a 24 year veteran of the restaurant and hotel industry, I saw many long-time employees in wage/hour jobs, flock to to tipped positions because their incomes would double. In the case of one executive chef, taking a waiter job meant that his hours were halved and his income increased because of a lesser tax burden. Servers who I did know at the time – in mid-level upscale independent restaurants were making in excess of $85k per year.

        What this also changed was how restaurants could apportion their labor – the employer tax contribution went up considerably as did the employee’s. So was this really just a tax hike couched as a “vote for our working poor”??? Maybe.

        What happened? The price of restaurant cup of coffee went up to $4.50. Ice tea, $4.00 and little necessaries became charged items. These increase in wages could not be covered by cutting costs – it had to be met by increased revenue.

        A 25% flat gratuity? What have I received that is now that much more expensive to deliver? Many people get second jobs to make ends meet – there’s an idea. Maybe servers should take on an extra table a night, lobby owners to give them extra tables in their section OR maybe just get a job that pays more. If I were to have remained a line cook for the 25 years of my career, should I now expect that someone should be paying me $145K simply because of my tenure? Kind of doubtful.

      • Jack

        @Adam said:
        “If you are strapped and can’t afford to go out, don’t go out. Common sense!”

        And if you are forcing me to tip you when you’re given bad service, then be prepared to be unemployed soon !

        25% is only for exceptional service.
        15% is the norm.

      • captain pickles

        Adam: This hypocritical argument “if you don’t want to pay for the service, don’t eat out”, would equate to “if you don’t want to pay the government tax bill, don’t live in this nation”. This argument ignores the reality that we don’t mind paying for what we get, were simply sick of this tipping structure and mentality. We don’t feel are getting our moneys worth, and we don’t like it.

    • The Bobster

      Maybe the owners need to pay their employees more. Did they ever think of that?

      • Mark

        Tony F: what’s the difference? This just raises the price of everything on the menu 25%, why not let the restaurant deal with paying their employees if tips are no longer related to the service?

      • Tony F

        Then restaurants would have to raise menu prices. Ever think of that?

      • Blank

        Exactly and if the prices get high people go to a competing establishment.

        Welcome to the free market.

    • ART


      • ToArt

        Correction. TIPS= TO INSURE PROPER SERVICE. If someone deserves the tip, I don’t see the issue here.

      • captain pickles

        Art and ToArt – BOTH WRONG. There are common inaccurate claims that “tip” (or “tips”) is an acronym for a phrase such as “To Insure Prompt Service”, “To Insure Proper Service”, “To Improve Performance”, “To Inspire Promptness” or “To Insure Promptness.” These false backronyms contradict the verifiable etymology, as follows. (Insure is wrong grammar – If anything it would be TEPS – to ENSURE prompt service).

        According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word tip originated as a slang term, and its etymology is unclear. The term in the sense of “to give a gratuity” first appeared in the 18th century. It derived from an earlier sense of tip, meaning “to give; to hand, pass”, which originated in the rogues’ cant in the 17th century. This sense may have derived from the 16th-century tip meaning “to strike or hit smartly but lightly” (which may have derived from the Low German tippen, “to tap”), but this derivation is “very uncertain”.

      • Jerr

        In other words, a tip ensures proper service.

      • Anthony L

        Correction, TIPS is not an acronym, it originated as a slang word

      • SirGareth

        No sales tax on tips, a no brainer. Decrease prices by 25% and require a manditory 25% tip. Let´s move to 100%, the food is free but the manditory tip covers the entire cost of the meal

    • observer

      here, (australia) they get paid ‘proper’ wages, and a tip is voluntary but not expected.why dont they just get paid a fair wage, and forget this ‘tip’ rubbish.sure, the prices will rise, but not 25%, probably less than 5%.

      • Chris

        Because a “fair wage” is a moving target; it always has been and always will be. It doesn’t matter at what amount you determine a wage to be fair. As soon as a few people start making more, that wage is no longer “fair.”

      • WereTurtle

        What is a fair wage? Kids come out of college here in the states with their degrees in Humanities, European History, Women’s Studies, etc and EXPECT to make 100k a year. There is plague of over inflated self-worth and entitlement in this country. People don’t want to earn their keep. They believe it is OWED to them.

      • Adam

        My wife used to bartend in Australia, and she got paid a great wage because only the tourists tipped. I’d be fine with that here. I wait tables and some people don’t tip at all. The problem is we get paid $2.13 per hour which all goes to taxes and we tip out a percentage of our sales to the bussers, bartenders and hosts. Some people don’t tip at all, but we still have to pay people so it literally costs us money to wait on them. Another thing is that the IRS requires us to claim 15%. so anything below that and we have to pay taxes on wages we didn’t earn. I would be more than happy to have a high hourly and no tips. It would be stable income. But as long as we have tipped wages, people need to tip or stay home.

      • Gilbert R Albright Jr

        Because here in America, the country was founded on EXPLOITING people to get rich. FAIR wages were NEVER an American Tradition.

        Remember all the Black Slaves that were were used for FREE labor for the first 85 years. The exploitation continued into the Industrial Revolution with child labor being used in factories.

        It has continued into modern times with the Walmartization of the U.S. where workers are only offered part time positions with minimal benefits.

        The U.S. is a Profit driven country. Profits are all that matters.WORKERS are considered and necessary nuisance.

      • Last Hussar

        I agree – the tip should be on top of wages. I’d rather restaurants were honest with prices. Waiters should get at least whatever that country’s minimum wage. It would go on the bill? Fine. That is how every other business works – If I get good service in a supermarket, no-one expects me to tip the assistant. Also a restaurant relies on more than just waiters. What about the chefs, the cleaners, the porter?

      • hebramleigh

        Gilbert, that comment goes beyond ignorance and into pure stupidity. You obviously know nothing about the European economies that grew out of the feudal system. Cheap, unskilled labor has always been exploited in every nation on earth. Child labor existed in Europe for centuries. As for slavery, Europeans brought the first slaves to the US, and they were WHITE.

        If you think America was somehow different, you’re knowledge base was gained by watching The Daily Show. Like it or not, waiting tables is unskilled labor (and having done it myself for tips, I can speak from experience.) If you’re complaining that you can’t raise a family of 8 on a waiter’s pay, then get an education or some marketable skills and switch professions. People go out to eat to eat, not to pay your salary. It’s the complete ignorance of economics (and real life) that has ruined California’s economy.

      • captain pickles


        You’re experience in another state is not relevant. California law requires a wait staff get paid ABOVE minimum wage. All restaurant workers in SF make at least 9.86 an hour, even servers. Also the Feds require a rate of 8% not 15%.

    • leone

      Another good Reason to stay the he!! out of California!

    • The Root '83

      “Meals are mostly overpriced there already”

      Yeah, look at the picture:
      A guy in a tuxedo seving a plate of french fries.

      Pretty well sums up the smug self important S.F. community we all laugh at

    • Jack Seeley

      Typical anti free market dumb thinking…just mandate economic things and never mind the down stream consequences,,eg., Dobbs/Frank Banks Bill.

    • ScottinVA

      Agreed. I’m amazed at how California’s communities want to enact policies that ensure their economic demise.

    • COLE

      How about the Restaurants increase the salary of the waiters? That way their income is taxable and they can contribute to the huge deficit California is in. The resaurants want you to pay their salary so they don’t have to. It is already expensive enough with a family of five to eat out without having to pay extra for sorry service.

      • Philly

        Wow, talk about a stupid comment; If the restaurants paid a regular salary to the waiters, who so you think is going to pay for that? the restaurant? no, silly, they will raise the price of the meal so you pay it. goodness gracious!

      • Davison

        The “free market” argument floating around doesn’t hold up as soon as look at any other country in the damn world and see that paying a fair wage is more than possible with smart business practices, and the goal is not to squeeze as much money out of it and your slaves/employees as possible.
        What determines a fair wage? Quality of life – not quantity of stuff. If you have to work 40+ hours a week and you’re not being paid enough to afford to eat and at least share housing – YOU ARE NOT BEING PAID ENOUGH FOR WHERE YOU WORK. That’s all, people. You do not value yourself or your time and have sold it for what you think you’re worth. Why would they pay you more if they have you brainwashed to ask the customer for more instead of your employer?

      • Adam

        Our income is taxable. The IRS requires us to claim 15% of our sales. Our paycheck go 100% to covering the taxes. So the only thing we take home is tips. If you can’t afford to go out and tip the server, stay home.

      • toPhilly

        Cole is right; the restaurants should increase their employee’s salary. Philly, it’s not stupid as it’s implied that the restaurants would have to raise prices. That’s what makes sense. In truth, this is the same problem with the Airlines. All the added fees hide the real price of the service. Why not just lay it out up front?

        Davidson is right, anyone who does not get paid enough at their job has two options: ask for a raise, or find a job that pays better.

        At the end of the day, I think the Europeans do have it right in that waiters and the like should get a better pay. Tipping should be optional. In the net, I’m sure at best I would pay no less for my meal, but that’s the point.

      • Jack

        @Adam said:
        “If you can’t afford to go out and tip the server, stay home.”

        And if you can’t give amazing service, you shouldn’t be a waiter. You certainly shouldn’t expect a tip for bad service.

        Moreover, we won’t stay home. We’ll just go to another restaurant. Maybe we’ll tip, maybe we won’t. It all depends on the service.

    • mike

      This recommendation is a clear demonstration of the low intelligence of the generality of the population.

      *By increasing the cost of a meal/drink bill by 25% you will reduce the number of customers.

      * Since a 25% tip is guaranteed there is no reason for a waitress to give good service.

      • ThinkAboutIt

        Disagree. Unlike most people working 9-5, a majority of people working in restaurants value their jobs. I guarantee the only reason they want to implement this rule is to keep out the awful customers. The people who will go in this restaurant to dine will appreciate the experience and know they will not be surrounded by cheap, obnoxious, amateur diners. Furthermore, if the servers at this restaurant are making really good money with their 25% tip, other quality employees will be beating down the door to get a job there. So, why would the owners keep employees around that won’t “earn” the 25% tip?

      • Jack

        Try it. You’ll see very quickly that most people will go to other restaurants.

        It’s not about affordability. It’s about the tip being forced down the customer’s throat.

    • San

      Restaurants need to pay a fair wage to their employees. At the least minimum.

      • Jen

        They get paid $8.00 plus tips in California.

      • Jack Davis

        Why?? You know the deal before you accept the job. If you don’t like it, go work somewhere else.

      • Randy Seiberling

        When I was in Germany a couple of years ago the tipping was completely different than here. The wait staff was paid a livable wage so tipping was not needed for them to survive. You basically rounded up to the next Euro or maybe a little more and everyone was happy. This really did not change the cost of the meal much if any compared to a meal here in the states.

    • Nomad

      They should add this to the ever-growing list of absurd things the protesters are asking for.
      “Let them have their tar-tar sauce” – Mr. Burns

    • William Shipley

      The whole tip thing is way out of hand. The waiter is becoming an independent contractor. The waiter/waitress is an employee of the restaurant and his pay should primarily come from his employer. The tip should be extra, a thank you for extra service. It’s already too large and too big of a part of their compensation, distorting the whole idea of ‘tip’.

      • steamboat

        Agreed. It is way out of hand. Since when did the customer become responsible for the wages of someone else’s employee ? Tipping is a pain for the customer. Tips should be abolished, and left the free market establish what th eemployer is able to pay and the employee is willing to take.

    • Kokoe Estrada


    • JOe Dutra

      Only if the 25% includes a transgender reconciliation tax.

    • SirGareth

      Sooner or later the TAXMAN is going to figure it out and charge sales taxes on TIPS.

      Here’s how a restaurant can now cut the tax man off much of his payroll:

      Cut the Menu prices by 500%:

      A menu item that was once $10 would now only be $2 but there is a mandatory 500% TIP added to the bill.

      Beware, however, of the old adage that pigs get fat but hogs get slaughtered – as the taxman slowly turns his baleful eyes towards the TIP economy.

      Its all about taxes and as the TAXMAN demands to become a business partner look for the barter economy to replace the tax economy

      • Jon Mc D

        Didn’t do well in math did you. Let me correct it for you
        Cut menu prices by 80%, it’s impossible to reduce anything by more then 100%
        Then add 400%, (remember 2*4 =8, and 8+2=10)

      • Justice Scalia

        They already have a sale tax applied to federal AND state taxes on gasoline, why not sales taxbtips? They already want to tax services…haircuts, legal, medical and accountancy services. Didn’t.anyone remember Gov. moonbeam thebfirstntime around, when CA was the laughing stock of America? We are again.

    • slobbyslobs

      I buy a $100 bottle of wine. Does this jerkoff get $25 for uncorking it?

      • dmn2

        RV..I’ve had dates where I would of tipped 100% if they spilled the wine on my date, so I could make an early night of it

      • captain pickles

        Apparently they think this is ethical. Restaurant marks up the wine by 250 – 350% and then you’re expected to add 25% to that markup for a waiter who does little work uncorking. Even if you’re an experienced sommelier that’s still ridiculous.

      • RVInsight

        With this new rule the wait staff could spill the wine on you and still get $25.

    • Scott Batten

      I was a waiter for over 10 years of my life. Rarely did I ever get over 20% and often I would receive 10-15%. I was the high energy, friendly, bend over backwards person. If they want to educate the customer about the normal rate being 15%, that’s fine. IF you want to force a mandatory tip rate, then you are going to loss a lot of customers. The only restaurant that will survive in that place will be the low end buffet.
      A waiter is the “perfect” free market job. You and you alone control your ability to make more money. As for the IRS reporting. You are required to report 8% of your nightly sales, but technically, you are supposed to report exactly what you earn.

    • Jon L

      I have a better idea, no more tipping. What makes bringing me food so special compared to every other service job out there?

      How about restaurants pay a decent wage then charge me the real price of the food in the first place.

      • ciaobello

        I’m with you.I’d much rather

    • Brad

      First of all, TIP stands for (To Insure Promptness). It was originally given before service was rendered to do exactly as the name implies, to insure the promptness of the server. But with a lot of unscrupulous persons, once they had the money in their hands, they just didn’t care anymore, so people began to withhold the TIP until after the service was rendered and then would TIP according to the quality of the service. Tips are not required, they are a show of appreciation for good service. If a server is terrible at their job and not doing what is expected of them, why should they be given anything. Yes, there are a lot of cheap folks out there, but again I reiterate, TIPS ARE NOT MANDATORY!!! Institute this policy and watch how many of your restaurants go under because people will not tolerate being forced to pay a tip for substandard service. I for one will NEVER patronize a business that forces me to pay what is supposed to be a gratuity. For those who do not know what that word means…. it is (gratitude), and in this case a show of appreciation for a job well done.
      If your servers are hurting for money… pay them more. But I know that in California, servers are required to be paid minimum wage, in addition to their tips. Come to Tennessee where servers only get an average of $2.18 an hour plus their tips.

      • captain pickles

        Brad. Agree with you on most of what you say, however There are common inaccurate claims that “tip” (or “tips”) is an acronym for a phrase such as “To Insure Prompt Service”, “To Insure Proper Service”, “To Improve Performance”, “To Inspire Promptness” or “To Insure Promptness.” These false backronyms contradict the verifiable etymology, as follows. (Insure is wrong grammar – If anything it would be TEPS – to ENSURE prompt service).

        According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word tip originated as a slang term, and its etymology is unclear. The term in the sense of “to give a gratuity” first appeared in the 18th century. It derived from an earlier sense of tip, meaning “to give; to hand, pass”, which originated in the rogues’ cant in the 17th century. This sense may have derived from the 16th-century tip meaning “to strike or hit smartly but lightly” (which may have derived from the Low German tippen, “to tap”), but this derivation is “very uncertain”.

    • Jill Brooks

      I’ll stick to the buffet at the point. I don’t know where this reporter got her information but in all the restaurants I’ve worked in we claim 10% of our tips and that’s only on credit cards. Cash tips most times we claim 10% of those if any. If I had mostly credit cards I won’t claim cash tips at all. I don’t get tipped for bad service and I wouldn’t expect to nor do I tip for bad service. If you don’t like the tips you are getting than maybe you should reflect upon your customer service skills. Something that is almost entirely missing in the “entitlement” generation.

      I’ll just stop dining out all together at that point.

      gratuity [grəˈtjuːɪtɪ]
      n pl -ties
      1. (Business / Commerce) a gift or reward, usually of money, for services rendered; tip
      2. something given without claim or obligation

    • SF Hater

      Definitely – I tip10% for food, 10% for service. nothing is a given, and I’d have no problem leaving no tip if the food sucked and the service also isn’t close to being acceptable.

      on top of a 20% tip we pay a healthcare tax. its absurd, and has already caused lots of ppl not to go out. if they push a 25% tax+ healthcare tax + 9.5 % state sales tax, that will be a 40% addition to the bill.

      I hope san francisco doesn’t mind closing down restaurants – this is what is fueling the rise of the gourmet food trucks.

    • xter

      I’d like to know how tipping became a percentage game a Waitier serving a single dish in an upscale establishment vs. a waiter severing a single dish in a diner is serving the same number of plates regardless of the cost of the meal so why not tip $1 or 2 per plate not a percentage of a meal. cost. Tipping is now a demand vs. a reward ant that is wrong,

    • Jon Davies

      As one who has been working in the service industry for 15 years, I think this is a bit over the top. While many of my guests DO tip over 25%, I think the standard SHOULD still be 20% and IS by the majority of my clientele. I might suggest to watch Mr. Waiter Man on Youtube, as he says what so many of us in the industry think and feel. He always says, “20 percent is the standard.” I wonder what his view of this new 25% thing would be. He’s bitter, cute, angry, funny, foul-mouthed and truthful. I’ve seen his page grow from 20 subscribers to over 2,000! He deserves more, I think.

      Check him:

    • tomsf




      I SMELL A RAT!!

    • Mike

      TIPS is defined as “to insure prompt service” I think the definition says it all

      Mike from Los Angeles

      • captain pickles

        Mike: Wrong.There are common inaccurate claims that “tip” (or “tips”) is an acronym for a phrase such as “To Insure Prompt Service”, “To Insure Proper Service”, “To Improve Performance”, “To Inspire Promptness” or “To Insure Promptness.” These false backronyms contradict the verifiable etymology, as follows. (Insure is wrong grammar – If anything it would be TEPS – to ENSURE prompt service).

        According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word tip originated as a slang term, and its etymology is unclear. The term in the sense of “to give a gratuity” first appeared in the 18th century. It derived from an earlier sense of tip, meaning “to give; to hand, pass”, which originated in the rogues’ cant in the 17th century. This sense may have derived from the 16th-century tip meaning “to strike or hit smartly but lightly” (which may have derived from the Low German tippen, “to tap”), but this derivation is “very uncertain”.

    • lee

      This means big brother will get more . They will automatically have the necessary
      facts to let them know exactly how much you make. Since they will take more
      out of your pay (restaurants take 8% of what you claim) Most service people I know
      don’t claim all they receive. Be careful what you ask for you may not like it in the long run.

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    • Fligger17

      As a person that works in the “service industry” let me share you my “complaint” Some people don’t know how to tip. Some people would look at a $20 tip and think that they are being very generous, but not when it’s on a $250 bill. That’s less than 10%!!! There are people out there that do not know the meaning of a good tip. I had a table last week, and I really went above and beyond for this table. I never asked the gentleman if he would like a refill on his iced tea: I brought him a refill when he was close to empty. I made sure their steaks were to their liking. Offered desert and made sure they had a wonderful experience and wonderful meal. My tip: 12%!!!!

      It’s hard to say about “mandatory tipping” but there’s a chance that the service was sub-par. Please keep in mind there’s a difference between sub-par service and a problem wit) your food (don’t punish the server for a mistake the chef makes!”

    • Lemmy Caution

      I used to love visiting San Francisco but, over the last few years the drift leftward has become so unpleasant that we’ve quit doing business in The City. The sense of entitlement is just incredible- from the homeless to store clerks, temporary help etc.

      Yet another reason not to cross the bridge. Too bad.

    • brian

      Some quick math- If I work at a decent restaurant and have 4 tables per hour and their average bill is 60/Table (Which seem slow for dinner but high for lunch), as a waiter, I would be making 60 bucks/hour with the 25% gratuity plus my 3-4 dollar per hour base pay? So like 64 dollars/hour? Wow, count me in, who needs college loans!!

      • captain pickles

        Base pay for wait staff in SF (by Calif. law) is $9.86/hr. not 3 or 4.

    • Fred

      Makes no business sense. You don’t force people to pay you more by legislating it. You compete with better quality and service. If the restaurant is providing better service and quality then raise the price on the meals and pay staff more to compensate. Otherwise, realize that a service job requires quality service to get paid more. If all are paid the same quality will suffer. If quality suffers patrons will disappear. 25 percent of $0 is $0.

    • Rick O'Shea

      I haven’t been to SF for years, on purpose, and this is another reason to keep doing it.

    • DanD

      Is it really a “tip” if it’s a mandatory part of the check? Why don’t the restaurant’s just inflate the menu prices by 25% and give the extra revenue to their servers? Wouldn’t the end result be the same?

    • D.H.

      If a 25% mandatory tip was published, I’d leave w/o ordering. If it wasn’t, I’d refuse to pay on principle.

    • CJ

      A tip is supposed to be a custom in the service industry, not a norm and certainly not a demand. It’s not a tip if it’s expected. The problem has now become that the service is horrible and they expect 15-20 percent just because they did the minimum required by bringing mostly what you ordered, and they get to it whenever. if it’s 25%, that means a family of 4 just paid the equivalent of having a family of 5. So why not just sit the waiter down and buy him dinner??? The other frustrating part is when a party of 6 or more has 18% automatically added, again getting poor service because the ‘tip’ is predetermined.

    • bartley

      Oh for gawds sake the restaurant should pick up the extra 10 percent on everything a waiter does for the restaurant. Misguided greed factor again is going to get the entire restaurant industry in a bad way.

    • Arson Wells

      Why stop at 25%? How about 50 or 75%?

    • Jack Kinch(1uncle)

      Eat at home. MOVE.

  • Guapi

    Why stop there. Why not 50%?

    Good greif. I’ve always been a good tipper since I used to be a waiter. I always felt I know how hard these people work. But now I realize that I work even harder in my non-restaurant job than I ever did as a waiter.

    I think I’m going to revert back to 10% tipping. 15% for above average service.
    Otherwise I may not be going out to eat at all.

    • philip Young

      why not 80%

      • charlie

        Oh, heck. Why not 100%. Just double the bill and it makes it soooo easy. What do I care. I will refuse to take my business to any restaurant that requires even a 1% tip. What I tip is my choice. If that’s your attitude, you snotty waiters can go homeless for all I care. Don’t like the money in the food industry? Go do something else, something that requires a little training and education.

      • TheRealKingMax

        I agree.

        Had a nice lunch last week, was waited on by a really nice looking waitress.

        I was deciding on her tip, then thought, “Why just give her the tip? She deserves the whole thing!”.

        So later, I did.

        Watch for B. Obama’s upcoming hit movie, “Beertime for Bonzo”.

    • freecheese

      Tips for fast food workers? The reason you have to carry your tray to the trash can as you leave was they “will save you money” because they won’t have to hire a person to dump your trash, thus rewarding the customer with lower prices ! RIGHT !!??

      • Jim P

        What this does is give the franchise owner more profit. In Thailand at every Mc
        Donald they have an an employee clear the table which gives many more people a job. So what if the owner makes less. At least it put more people to work and that is what is needed in the US MORE JOBS Maybe “hope and Change” can clean off the tables

      • dave 2009

        You must be a San Fran Nut Case. Owners do not go into business so the can hire employees – they hire employees because they went into business.

        The concept it upside down when you consider it legit to expect an owner to take all the risk and put up all the cash so they can make sure everyone else makes out alright.

        A smart owner will treat his or her employees well, because it enhances the business. As soon as the return on the investment begins to diminish any further increase in investing more in employees stops. It’s a delicate balance that the owner has to strike. Some jobs just do not command high wages and expecting them to offer more than the work is worth leaves reason behind.

        It’s not harsh or mean; it’s the law of business, kind of like gravity. You either make the business fly or gravity kicks in and you crash and burn.

      • dave 2009

        BTW, my comment was aimed at Jim P.

      • ella funt

        For the prices you pay at some high class restaurants, there shouldn’t be tip requirements.—-Actually, they should give your car a free wash job.

    • Thomas Alfred

      If they work SO hard, then why don’t the owner/operators pay them what they are worth.

      • radii

        because often the owners are shaving their time-cards illegally (cutting off time actually worked from their paychecks and tax obligations), skimming on the staff tips, not providing mandatory breaks, not providing mandatory meals, not offering health insurance, etc etc

      • American

        dont like the employers hijinks,,,,,,,,,,,then quit and get another job

      • Bucky J. Powers

        Go find another line of work! No one is forcing you to wait tables. I tell my kids, don’t go to college, you will be the one waiting tables. But I’m guesssing you are just way too “cool” to go to school and become a contributor to society, not a drain on society.

      • High N. Mighty

        1. I waited tables for 3 years to pay for college. 90% of the people who work in the industry are there paying for college.

        2. How is someone who is providing a service people want to pay for — a nice restaurant experience instead of eating at home — a “drain on society”?

        3. I now have a law degree from a top ten law school. Two years in my profession, and I STILL make less money than a waiter. Now with 6 figures in graduate debt.

        Don’t give your children stupid advice.

      • Adam

        I hear you, Brother. The legal profession is not all candy corn and streets of Gold. Go back to being a server. You’ll work less hours and be far happier. Trust me. I’ve been chasing the elusive Golden ring for 10 years and will be paying my student loans for another 10.

      • ella funt

        I agree 110%. Do the majarity of psople tip gas attendants, bak tellers plumbers, bus drivers, super market employes, pizza parlors, fast food restaurants, wal mart cashiers, etc, etc, etc—-Nobedy should get tipped ofr anything.–Do your job and get a decent salary.

      • tip nomore

        You are completely correct. Tips are a scam. MOST of the servers I’ve had in the past 2-3 years have bad attitudes, poor personal communications skills, and a lousy work ethic with an attitude that they think they are owed for doing what is basically UNSKILLED LABOR. And, yes, I was a server while I was going to college full time and know the whole scam from the inside out. Tipping is ridiculous for most of today’s food servers.

      • adam peart

        As a former restaurant/bar worker for over 10 years with some time spent on Stuart St., let me give you the scoop: Some servers suck and don’t deserve 25% and some other servers are fantastic and DO deserve 25%. So what would motivate the great servers to provide great service when they can just do a lousy job and get the same amount of gratuity? Servers are motivated by only one thing: PROFIT- much like the rest of the world, and perform based on the potential of increased profit according to their performance. Here’s an idea, if you want to help servers so much then STOP TAXING THEIR TIPS IN THE FIRST PLACE! I’ve had great tips, I’ve on occasion had no tips- how can the government ASSUME they know how much I was tipped then tax me ON THEIR basis? They’re vultures picking the bones of every productive person in society. This city is MAD(as in crazy.) Rewarding lousy performance with a guaranteed 25% gratuity will give you only one thing- increased lousy service. So enjoy being soaked for horrible service all ye do-gooder’s of San Francisco! You really know how to stifle excellence in performance. Thumbs up. I’d love to hear your comments, you can email me at adamdotpeartatgmaildotcom. And really? You obviously didn’t work outside the state of CA. Go to Louisiana, Utah, hell, just about everywhere you’ll find the starting wage for a server is $2.12 an hour. Tell those servers tips are ridiculous.

      • dave 2009

        Adam Peart asked: So what would motivate the great servers to provide great service when they can just do a lousy job and get the same amount of gratuity?

        And therein lies the reason why most government employees are not worth a bucket of warm spit. To make matters worse – you can’t fire them unless they commit a felony and even then you have to spend a fortune to prove it .

        Consequently, government doesn’t try to fire them, it’s just cost too much,

      • Arson Wells

        So you think paying waiters $25+ per hour from the employer is the solution?

        What’s your solution once 50% of all of these workers are layed-off in just weeks?

        Maybe a ‘living wage’ of $35 an hour is the answer?

        LAWL X 666

      • Gene


      • Bill Kismet

        Thomas your right, the owners want us to pay for there help plus we pay the owners for there food. The owners make out not paying there help and we over pay to eat out. Let them keep there food and services. See how they survive on that!

      • R. Hass

        They are worth only what it takes to find a competent worker to do the job. Doesn’t matter how hard they work, and it doesn’t matter how much money the owners make.

      • Sharon

        @adam peart

        Don’t look now, but your sense of entitlement is showing. You are saying that you do not want to pay income tax on your income. Join the rest of the 47% who pay no taxes. My daughter waited tables so we always tip generously. We are not, however, going to patronize a restaurant that demands that high a tip. I have never seen a waiter who deserved that kind of tip and I have eaten in some very, very fine establishments. You are not entitled to shirk your responsibility to this country.

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    • Arson Wells

      We should probably abolish all forms of minimum wages, federal and all states and also pass a federal laws forbidding customers from tipping employees and establish a fine of say $500 of caught tipping.

      This would save the ‘job creator’ more money for creating jobs which is the goal right?
      That’s what those people at the various televised GOP debates have been saying. One of them have to be correct on this wage issue.

      Personally I tip $5 even at a buffet…

    • Mike

      You’re right…why not just make the tip equal to the amount of the bill? No wonder the rest of the country makes fun of SF. I feel sorry for all you sane people out there. Get out while you can.

    • krp

      When I was younger, I would ordinarily over tip, however, after having worked in restaurants myself, I refuse to give extra if the gratuity is added onto the bill. The reason is that I realize that the waiters’ mentality is such that if a patron does give extra money than on the check, their thinking is that they tricked those patron into double tipping and not that the extra tip was a matter of appreciation.

    • Leonard

      you are soooooooooooooooo right!

    • Gus

      To the people who give the advice to their children “go to school otherwise you’ll be a server,” – many servers I’ve worked with not only have their degrees (like myself) but also teach school for their main job. Go into debt young man, get your meaningless degree in Art History. Become a server anyway.

      Yeah, I’m old (relatively for the industry) and still waiting tables. It sucks. Its the economy and lack of jobs, not a lack of motivation on my part. The real drag on our economy is the baby boomers sucking billions upon billions of dollars from social security and medicare. Two things which us lowly servers help to prop up yet will never see a return cent of in our lifetime.

      • Mutant Geezer

        As a baby boomer I resent the implication that we are stealing billions from the economy. We have paid into SS our entire lives and expect our, and our employer’s investment, in our retirements to be honored. We got a really raw deal from the government which stole our contributions and have used it to fund their social welfare programs in order to buy votes. If we had been allowed to invest that money on our own, the payout per month would be many times the pittance that the government returns on our investment.

      • Ray Z

        Gus…I’m what is classified as a “baby boomer”. I got my social security statement last month. I have CONTRIBUTED $484,000.00 to social security and medicare. That means $484,000.00 of MY money was taken from my pay over the past 36 years. Now, I may not be able to retire until age 72 (with all of those proposed “fixes” being bandied about). That means I will have to work and CONTRIBUTE (have stolen from me) another $250,000 over the next 22 years. So, I should work for 58 years, have my money stolen from me and then, have people like you whine about how I and people like me are SUCKING money out of a system that SUCKED money from our pay? Almost 3/4 million dollars? Grow up.

    • Chris

      Guapi ,

      You think service is bad now? Just wait until tips become mandatory – the level of service will bottom out. Servers will do just enough not to get fired, and not an ounce more.

  • Reality Check

    If you want a good tip you work for it. Sure there are turds who do not tip. You remember who they are if they are regulars. If service is poor, then guess what, there goes you tip.

    • FR Brown

      “turds who don’t tip” is just the attitude that some restaurant workers have that make guys like me not tip you. How dare you “remember”me and give me anything less than perfect service when I come back to the place you work! If the checkout clerk at the supermarket is rude, customers go to another supermarket. If the wait staff is rude, guess what? Grow up.

      • Eric " the bartender"

        turds that don’t tip usually complain about everything send stuff back all the time and end up not paying for as much as they can get away with.. don’t come back your just another expense. if your a jerk and I remember that , the last thing you get is ” perfect service”. I mean if you make a habit of being an a$$. no one wants your business . stay home and watch reality tv by yourself.

      • Arson Wells

        What if the closest supermarket to the rude one is 35-50 miles away? Still prepared for a possible upwards of 100 Mile round trip?

        Everyone doesn’t live in NYC/LA/Chicago, etc..

      • mcchuck

        Treat every customer the same with highest service and don’t worry about it, it will take care of itself. Those with problems and low tips don’t folow this rule. Tip for managment, fire employees with low tips.

      • Rann Xeroxx

        Your a moron. If I got no tip from you I can tell you that I will be paying attention to my other customers first and you would be last. Not because of any punishment but because you don’t tip and so you get the least of the service that I have to provide.

      • buzz

        I gernerally tip around 30% to 40%, but if I have to deal with folks like Eric the bartender, I go somewhere else. As it turns out, other people do want my business.

      • Jim

        Personally, I tip according to the service I get. Bad service gets bad tip which might include no tip at all. If you mandatorily make me tip, I will remove the tip from my bill and you will get nothing. If the restruant workers want more money, strke against the restruant for more wages. I tip my barber when I get a hair cut. Tips are not mandatory. When the government starts charging me to tip, I will start eating at home more.

    • cmcc

      well, black people don’t tip anyway (neither do middle easterners), so it’s moot.

      • globeflyer

        I have heard that before, but didn’t really believe it till my daughter starting waiting tables in college. She said the waiters would take turns waiting on larger parties of “minorities”, because there was (usually) an inordinate amount of work and, with few exceptions, little-to-no tip. She was told it is connected to “that slavery stuff”.

      • BillV

        Most restaurants already require a 15-20% gratuity on larger parties.

      • teaj

        they will get a pass. you know because of all that slavery stuff you know stuff like like waiting on somebody but not getting paid for it. Black people know how slave drive best.

    • Jackshyte

      Tips are to be earned. I don’t even patronize establishments that automatically add a tip to the bill. If SF does this, they can pack sand..

      • Don Stone

        The phrase is pound sand. But your sentiment is exaclty on point.

        Servers are among the most entitled groups of workers in this country.

        Tell me another industry or business that you; invest no capital in your business, need no education or special talent, can switch your trade area almost at will, and clear 15% to 20% pure profit from day one?

    • Jim

      You know what, I have had some pretty sicking turds as waiters and waitress’. Turds aren’t always the ones not tipping, they many times are the ones with the attitude serving my food. So I don’t tip turds.

    • George

      I was in Copenhagen where the tip is mandatory…….20%-25% and service was deplorable. What leverage does the diner have? The most outrageous incident was a request for water…..we declined bottle water and had a pitcher of tap water
      brought to the table. We were shocked when we were billed 6.00 for tap water.
      I would prefer that the owner raise prices to compensate servers a fair wage and eliminate tipping completely.

      • JDB

        I think you’re right…….service would go down with a mandatory tip.

      • flashman1854

        Eliminate tipping and compensate waiters with a ‘fair wage’ and service would plummet, there being no incentive to perform well.

        The great servers (and there are many) would notice that the inferior servers made the same as them. This is the basic rub with socialism and why socialist societies eventually collapse. Look at Greece, the old Soviet Union, et al.

        Eating out is not a divine right nor is it an obligation. It should be (and where it is successful is) a free market enterprise.

        Bad service, inferior food generates people talking and the restaurant loses business.

        Great service, great food, fair prices (good value) and people talk, the restaurant succeeds.

        Also, a waiter, or any worker for that matter, has no divine right to a job. If you don’t like where you’re working go start your own restaurant or work somewhere else.

        Mandatory tipping will drive customers away and will break the hearts of the great servers as socialism broke the hearts of great workers.

        In ‘public service’ you can bet there are great workers at all levels who are not happy seeing the freeloaders not pulling their weight yet getting paid the same as everyone else.

        What we need is LESS government in our lives, less mandates, less regulations, and less whining from losers. The winners (be they restaurant owners or servers) would thrive, the losers could just go away.

      • Jerr

        In Paris, the tips are mandatory and poor service from entitled waitstaff (some, but not all) is legendary. Customers have no leverage. Tip are only an incentive if optional, otherwise they are a tax.

      • storm

        Suggest you don’t go to Copenhagen, unless you need a sex change, which may become mandatory in San Francisco (The city of “brotherly” love) next year.

    • ROBERT S


      • kevintheelder

        I agree with you, Robert. What is the sense of giving a flat amount (whether it be 15%, 20%, or 25%, and whether it be called a tip or even a fee)? The reason we give nowadays is to bolster the puny salaries the server receives from their employer. Doesn’t it make more sense to make the restaurants pay at least the minimum wage (which I believe they are exempt from doing) and raising the cost of the meal accordingly? Tipping could then be eliminated totally, save the rare instance when we truly overwork a waitress with a large, possibly over-demanding party.

      • Allie

        why should customers pay the server….. raise restaurant prices.

        Are you that fkn stupid? If you raise the prices, then the customers will be paying anyway!

      • John Fox

        Obviously, you misunderstand the concept of ‘tipping’. Servers are guaranteed minimum wage if their tips don’t add up to at least that much. Tipping is written into the minimum wage law and recognized as a specific job type. By your standards, if servers were paid a better wage, then there would be no need for me to tip at all, now would there. I guess you as asking to reward all of the terrible servers at there at the expense of those that bust their buns and get great tips. What an idiot you are…..

      • Mr. Pink

        Who didn’t tip? “Reservoir Dogs!”
        To Insure Promptness = TIP
        Soon, another Barry the socialist president handout requirement tax on the rich!
        Thirteen months, Anybody But Barry in 2012–ABB–

      • storm

        Robert S. California law requires wait staff to be paid ABOVE minimum wage. For a regular restaurant that’s appropriate for unskilled non-professional labor. Yet wait staff in Califorjnia still expect a traditional tip, and now they want more. Absurd !

        John Fox. LOL – You should proff your last couple of sentences before you call anyone an idiot.

  • Ellie

    Won’t be going to SF for dinner anymore

    • Harvard@Cal

      This on top of the “welcome stranger” tax to fund (SF) worker health care. I have not eaten in SF since they implemented that.

    • BobG

      Herb Caen is spinning in his grave.

      • Le Flaneur

        I can’t understand why people use the “Herb Caen” comment. Did you know him or wait on him???? Naw, didn’t think so! He was a freeloader and quite mean spirited, let him Spin!

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  • Scott

    If it’s mandatory, then it’s not a “tip”, it’s a CHARGE. You do not get a tip for providing routine service that’s simply competent. You EARN a tip for providing EXCEPTIONAL service. Oh yeah, I never leave a tip for anything sub par.

    • radii

      that’s why on parties of 5 (or 6 or 8) or more at most dining establishments the management allows a mandatory service charge of between 15% to 20% – because the larger the party the lower the tip usually as people get cheap and hide behind the put-it-in-the-pot “confusion”

      servers, especially in “right-to-work” states like Texas that defy the federal minimum wage, can make as little as $2 an hour (slave wages) and a**holes like you don’t tip

      you must ALWAYS tip – you are making up what the owners won’t pay in a fair wage – a server has to give terrible service to earn less than 15% and then you tell them they sucked as you give them only 10%

      • sleepyjeff

        I “must Always tip” ???

        Yeah, right. If I get bad service, I am not tipping and lazy incompetent people like yourself can pound sand for all I care.

        Want $$$

        Work for it.

        I will tip you quite generously if you know what you’re doing and show a little hustle.

      • Lee Yarbrough


        Sorry to inform you but I don’t ever HAVE to tip anyone. I am a good tipper in general when I receive decent to great service. The better the service and attitude of the server, the better the tip.

        I am one that also will politely tell a server why they are not receiving a tip. I could be an ass and tell their boss why they are not getting a tip and cost them their job but I feel my way is fairer. Gives them something to think about and reflect on.

        People with your attitude have no business being in the service business. We have the right to expect great service, you don’t have the right to DEMAND a tip.

      • Louis Cypher

        Slaves don’t get wages, which is one part of what makes a slave. The other part is choice, slaves have none, servers have plenty. I was a server in many restaurants and made twice what the cooks did (My wage was 2.38 an hour when I started). In some places, as much as lower management. You just suck, that’s your problem.

      • beazley

        Texas has adopted the federal minimum wage as its minimum wage. “Tipped” employees–waiters and waitresses–can be paid as little as $2.13/hour, but if their tips don’t bring their hourly wages up to the federal minimum wage ($7.25/hour), the employer has to kick in the difference.

      • Gary F McLoughlin

        Obviously a “bargained-for” worker with expectations that the world should be handed to him on a silver platter. “Right-to-work” in parentheses in order to imply condescension and sarcasm. I think you’re a clown, probably sucked as a waiter while putting yourself through community college. I tip generously when it’s deserved and there are never any surprises when the bill comes: they know they’ll get a good tip, or they know they are going to get stiffed. I actually enjoy leaving change for a tip when the service or the food sucks. It’s pathetic losers like YOU who must ALWAYS tip.

      • Michael Huang

        HAHAHAHA You must ALWAYS tip???? I’ll tip if I get excellent service. But you and waiters who think I should automatically fork of 15%-20% of my bill can go &uck yourselves. I ain’t giving you $hit if I’m not satisfied with their service. And you know what? I could give a flying rats’ ass that they can make below minimum wage. I used to work a minimum wage job when I was younger and society didn’t deem it worthy for tips. Bring food to my table is part of their job. I go to restaurants to enjoy the food not helping them out with rent and bills and if they don’t like their jobs they can quit.

      • phil

        In some areas of the country, a gratuity is included in the total. Some cultures are unfamiliar with the concept. They must be, shall we say…, cultured. Restaurants in Miami had to resort to mandatory gratuity in order to be able to hire and retain wait staff. Many more areas will realize that this would be beneficial to all. A customer could, of course, dispute the service charge, and a manager would make the decision to reduce the bill.

        I taught my young daughter, many years ago, if you dont have the money to tip-you dont have the money to eat out. She truly appreciated the lesson when she later became a waitress.

      • Scott

        No, I don’t have to tip, period. “Must ALWAYS tip”?? Yeah, right. LOL. Change occupations if you’re not making enough $$.

      • MadBag

        If “the owners won’t pay in a fair wage” perhaps they shouldn’t be able to find any employees. Tips, by definition, are not mandatory, but a voluntary gratuity rendered by the customer. If you want a “tip” from every customer then have the owner raise the prices and pay you more. Bet that will work out for you.

      • kristy

        I was a server for years in one of those “slave” wages states. I made GOOD money. Do you know why I made such good money? It was because I was EXCELLENT at what I did! I was great with customers and they paid very well. I worked at Denny’s and yet I made great money! Being a server is one of the higher paying jobs that you can do without college. If you get good, you move up to fancier restaurants and earn more. If my tips had been mandatory, I wouldn’t have worked very hard, because what would have been the point in rushing?? It is like socialism, you get a share without working for it. Sorry, that isn’t the way the world should work. I worked my butt off to make good money!

      • swissik

        Excuse me, I must always tip? I generally tip 18-20%, even if the service is questionable. However, if the service is truly awful, I ask to speak to the manager and I will tell him or her that I am not tipping. As for eating in SF, I avoid it like the plague, I don’t deal well with piercings, tattoos and silly behaviour.

      • rider237

        please, please, define “fair wage”. while you are at it, “living wage”. what a bunch of BS. wages should reflect the market for the labor.


        I think this is the one place we the Customer/Payer has control. See , our tax dollars get taken from us. Paying for a bunch of wasteful spending, including those on Welfare who REFUSE to work for a living. Now, if we are getting waiter/waitresses who demand to be paid more by the Payer, then work hard for it & Stop expecting it even when you are not good at your job. When you leave a customer & don’t come back; lazy. The standard for waiters/waitress is poor. It use to be the customer was made to feel like, you are spending your money here, you want a night off, I’m going to do everything I can to make you feel you are at a 5 star resturant. How may I serve you? Now it’s like you walk in & it’s, Yeah, what do you want?

      • captain pickles

        I agreed with you up until you started the name calling. Real classy ! The entitlement attitude that many wait staff seem to have is where you loose the arguement. Telling us we “must” tip is ridiculous. The fact is that traditional tipping is optional and based upon the customer’s satisfaction with the service. That being said, I’ll tip 15% for typical service, poor service and the tip goes down. Bad service no tip and a conversation with th erestaurant manager. I do not hold the server responsible for the quality of the food, only for what they have control of.

    • Eric " the bartender"

      the government taxes servers on %15 thats not fair when people can decide they don’t like a waiter `cuzz the kitchen messed up there order. that more often then not is the case. I am in the industry, and I have refused to eat and pay for some subpar things, but I never take it out on my waiter,didn’t pay but left a tip anyhow because the waiter was very nice.. tha food was do do. it’s not there fault. and yes if your server is unfriendly, let them know why they arn’t getting a tip, if you like the food pick another server. If there that bad they most likely wont be there if you return.

      • Robert NAgel

        I was under the impression that the IRS imputed 8%, not 15% of your gross servings to be tip income. If you make less, you need a new line of business. If you declare and pay on a higher amount, you’re a fool.

      • Mark

        Waahhh! I pay 28% Fed, 10% state (CA) plus social security/medicare. Whining about 15% tax on your tips is falling on deaf ears here.

      • vanessa

        When I worked as a waitress we had to go to a machine and enter what we made and what we sold. Regardless of what we actually made in tips we were taxed 15% on the 15% of the tips we supposidly got. Sometimes I paid more in taxes than I actually made. When you have large parties that take up your tables for most of the evening you always lose unless you get the rare person who realizes they have taken up most of your tables for the evening but only tip on a normal amount of food. I do not however think anyone should be forced to tip any amount. The government should only tax the server on what they actually brought in not assume they made more. Servers should definately make min. wage like everyone else including fastfood workers. Then the tip would be for outstanding service not an automaticexpectation. If there is a min wage in this country for all workers than these establishments should also abide by this rule.

      • steamboat

        Eric – tell it to the bartender, not us. Having worked in restuarants during my college days – my experience is that you’d get the occassional stiff or less than 15%, HOWEVER that is more than made up by people tipping over 15%. My actual average was in excess of 20%. It was sometimes in excess of 30% when I was serving wine (LOL – loved my restaurants 320% mark up there. Big tip for little work). Also – The fact of the matter is that no waiters I knew actually reported their true income to the IRS. We made out relatively well back then for a uneducated non-skilled job (as confirmed by your spelling and grammar).

    • Oriodin

      I agree, atop is rewarding for quality service. I was trained in France and the tip varied with the experience of service and food the customer experienced. 25% will keep me from SF and restaurants will start booming at nearby cites. A customer is not in the business of subsidizing employees wages and benefits.
      I tip 20% for good service.

    • JerryA

      Scott, I totally agree. The word TIP was originally an aconym for To Insure Promptness, and given to the Maitre D’ PRIOR to a meal. For some reason service personnel have come to feel they ‘deserve’ extra money for only doing their job. As a friend of mine says, “Minimum competancy should NOT be rewarded. It SHOULD be DEMANDED”.

    • Eric

      Geez. I’m not in favor of a 25% mandatory tip, but reading these comments, I’m glad I don’t know any of you. I’d be embarrassed to dine out with most of the people commenting here. People thinking tips are some sort of excuse to act as a judge and nit-pick every little thing. 15-20% is the standard. That can range up to 25% in real big cities like Chicago and New York, at the diners discretion of course. If you won’t tip 15% for any reason short of actual vindictive actions on the part of the server, you’ve got a serious character flaw.

      • Zeke Blake

        I think it is pretty wasy to see that my figures were VERY low. Think about it. How many serve ONLY 5 tables an hour? How many bills are only 20 dollars?

      • Zeke Blake

        Are you crazy? Seriously,,,, If a server ONLY has 5 tables an hour, and each table’s meals total ONLY comes to $20 that is $100 an hour for tips which at 25% is $25 an HOUR! Yes they work hard. However, I have a son that works at a tire place. They work MUCH harder and he makes just over $10 an hour. They leave the bay doors open all year even when well below freezing. They have tires blow while working with them. Sorry, but what other profession with no education and only a few days training can make so much. Get over yourself.

      • Luke

        OK there Zeke. Calm down. Let’s add some critical reasoning to your crazy math skillz. First off, there are customers for only about a third to half the time a restaurant is open, so your $25/hr is more like $8-12/hr. And that’s only if people are tipping at the ridiculously high rate of 25%.

        I think mandatory tipping is dumb. Build at least the full price of minimum wage into the food, and then pay that wage to your employees. Then tipping, once again, goes back to being a reward for a job well done.

  • Rhinobuster

    There goes another industry. California sure knows how to send businesses packing.

  • Carl

    Yes, in today’s economy what restaurants really need is to give people a reason to avoid eating at restaurants. Brilliant!

  • Plumpy

    Well i now know there’s one city that i want be dinning at….

  • Allen

    A tip is voluntary. Period.

  • Matt Nixon

    Another reason why I am moved out of California.

  • PA

    It’s not fair that the waiters have to take orders from others and bring them their food. Let them collect a 25% mandatory tip but do they really have to work for it? How horribly unfair. All these millionaires and billionaires eating out all the time. You never see them waiting on tables?!

    If you want to see how mandatory tips work, go to Europe and experience the typical, uninterested, lackey clearing your table.

    • christopher

      yes, i even saw old people sweeping the streets in Tokyo at sunrise, doing their part for a society that pays their pension in old age

      • Income Pirate dot com

        I live in Guam and the island caters to Japanese tourists. Most restaurants charge a 10% service charge because the Japanese don’t tip. I think that’s fair. If you want to tip above the 10% service charge for good service then that’s cool too. I always look at my service charge and add an additional 5%. If service is great I add 10%.

        We also have local prices and “tourist” prices where they stick it to the Japanese. That’s not cool in my book as the island’s economy is 60% tourism.

        I’ve worked as a waiter and you don’t even make minimum wage. Most people don’t realize this. Restaurants should have to pay servers at least minimum wage, institute a 10% service charge and then tip above that for exceptional service. That way servers never get shafted and great service can still be rewarded…

    • B Sz

      Go to Japan. Great Service – NO TIPPING!!!! Good service is expected. Tipping is not expected. They have a better work ethic over there.

      • Aftershock

        Japan also doesn’t allow illegal immigrants to work on their restaurants either.

      • PA

        Agreed. Work carries value in and of itself in many parts of Asia. No sense of entitlement.

  • Howie

    This is why I gave up eating in the city when the min wage went up. Another nail in the economic coffin. Everything is a problem with SF. Why even go there???

    • CaBobbi

      But Howie, you can stuff yourself into a cramped Prius taxi, use a stinking bathroom that has a no flush toilet, get hasstled by beggars every ten feet and help support it all with high taxes and now the priviledge of a mandatory 25% tip even if the survice sucks. Why would everyone not want to go to S F?

      • mike

        Damn I like you, CaBobbi.

    • vanessa

      Servers do not get min. wage. They make a little over 2.00 an hour

      • captain pickles

        vanessa: Wrong !! Do some research. Some states like California have laws requiring that wait staff be paid ABOVE minimum wage.

  • ChristaJeanne

    If you think servers need more money, give them a bigger paycheck. Don’t force patrons to tip a certain amount .As everyone else has been saying, servers need to work for a tip. And this is coming from someone who has always paid 20% if the service is a 7/10 or up. But, really, I do not like the idea of paying a mediocre server the same as an excellent one.

    • Steven Moore

      I went to a San Francisco restaurant and they first charged an 18% tip for a party of six. On top of that they demanded another 7% for siomebody’s health care. Raise it further and I will bring sanwitches or go to Subway. We are all not millionaires just because we want to eat out.

    • Kevin Pearson

      You’re an idiot, an obviously have not worked as a waiter

      Waiters do not work for a paycheck you dolt, They work for the cash they take home THAT NIGHT. They do not work as a waiter in order to wait 2 weeks to get paid.
      They ONLY reason that they have a paycheck at all at $2,13 an hour, is so that the employer has SOMETHING from which to deduct PICA and income taxes from. They would typically get a weekly paycheck for $5 after all the deductions have been taken out.

      If a waiter quits, that they just leave without looking back. They have their cash for the night and there is no reason for them to come back 2 weeks later for a paycheck of only 5 bucks

      • Hawaii-Expat

        Boy are you stupid. If they work for less than minimuym wage (relying only on cash tips) than the employer is breaking the law. Most waiters get paid “minimum wage plus tips”. Waiters who are worth thier salt also share thier tips (not evenly of course) with the bus-boys/girls so thier areas are cleaned and dressed rapidly to rotate tables. A server at a decent restaurant can clear 20-30/hr easily in tips. Top mark restaurants can clear a waiter 40-60/hr depending on number of tables per area and how long the groups stay (high mark groups tend to stay 1.5-2 hours vs 1-1.5 hours for lesser mark establishments but the tickets run $120-$200 versus $50-$80)

      • Ex Server

        Eh? What the hell are you talking about?

        I worked as a waiter for 5 years, and never once did I expect a tip from a person. Not once.

        And my check was my hourly wage (minimum) minus any federal/state tax withholding from what tips you reported earned. That’s the reason why the checks are smaller, not because you are earning less. You just get the “cash” in hand instead of on a check, and uncle sam and state want their fair share.

        I got my tips by providing exceptional service, and trying to go above and beyond the call of “minimum wage”. I routinely made $50 more a day in tips and worked less hours than other co-workers because of that attitude.

        The ones that “work for tips” were usually the single mothers who thought it was “cool” to pop out a baby for show and didn’t have the skills do do basic receptionist work, or the excessive party goers that only cared about how much they were going to get drunk or stoned that night. They were the ones that somehow thought refilling someones Ice Tea or Coffee once, popping in their order, slapping down their food and ignoring them the rest of the time they dined was an automatic 20% tip, and then would complain if they got anything less.

        I’ve taken my experience from that time and applied it to my own dining out experiences. I have no problem “stiffing” an exceptionally poor waitress, and likewise I have no problem leaving a 25% tip for exceptional service when I can tell a server actually cares.

      • Patrick Neal

        Servers in many states can and do pay servers $2.13 an hour plus tips. It’s lawful. My wife worked as a waitress in North Carolina for $2.13 an hour. What’s worse, the patronage didn’t tip well and in turn service sucked most times. You get what you pay for in those instances. Now in WA state she made min wage (6.75 at the time) plus tips. I don’t agree with some mandatory tip for servers and I would defenitely not dine out if it were implemented.

      • captain pickles

        LOL – Great name calling. Who’s the fool here ? Do some research. Some states like California have laws requiring that wait staff be paid ABOVE minimum wage. Now go back to watching Sponge Bob while the adults talk.

  • scoop

    why not take our first-born male child while they’re at it…

  • spam

    Sure, isn’t that what everybody does? When business is down you raise your prices. Brings in more business every time.


    The nice thing about idiocy is that it punishes itself.

  • John

    Tips are for rewarding service; they are never mandatory. To suggest that there is a “required minimum tip” is simply silly since a tip is the customers means of rewarding service. The amount and decision to gran one at all is entirely at the discretion of the customer.

  • snupedoug

    Is it a ‘tip’ or a ‘fee’. If they mandate it then it’s a fee and I will defenitely eat elsewhere. I’m not there to make payroll for the restaraunt which is already overpriced in ‘The Peoples Republic of San Francisco’ anyway!!!

  • Compare with Other Lands

    Waiters in the United States can command astronomical relative incomes, since their profession requires no education, minimal prior training, and their tips are largely TAX-FREE.

    Think of your counterparts in similarly developed societies such as Australia, New Zealand, and Western Europe where restaurant workers receive a very basic wage, are expected to provide similar standards of service, and receive NO TIPS about 90% of the time.

    • eric " the bartender"

      I don’t know what country you live but the ca franchise tax board and the I R S have your boss allocate you If you do not report at least 10% .. no audit just take it out of your pay check, after tipping out busboys and other members of the staff most restaurants require share the tips, it’s usually more then most servers make and are getting the shaft by the tax man

      • asdfa


    • vanessa

      Tips are NOT tax free. You need to get your facts straight. Servers used to be able to get away with this about 20 years ago but uncle sam figured out a way to keep this from happening. When you clock out you have to add up your sales in a machine. The government automatically takes 15% of your sales whether you made that much or not then typically the rest. takes another 5 or 10% to give to busboys whether they did a good job or not. On top of that you are paid a little over 2.00 an hour. Do the math. One time I left work with 10.00 or 15.00 for 9 hours of work. Servers are also punished by patrons for mistakes made by kitchen help which they have no control over. Patrons in this instance should not punish the server but talk to the manager and get money taken off of their bill. I don’t ever think anyone should be required to tip a certain amount but I do insist that people get their facts straight before having an opinion on something they no nothing about.

      • captain pickles

        vanessa, I agree with some of what you say, but you need to get your facts straight too. Do you really work in the industry. First off it’s taxed at 8% not 15%. Also California law requires restaurants to pay wait staff ABOVE minimum wage. So you do the math. Someone waiting in California gets above minimum, and still expects a traditional tip. My experience is that for the occassional low tip or stiff, you more than make up for it from the majority over tipping (including tipping on the sales tax). So you do the math: above minimum, probably averaging 20% in tips, but only have to report 8% to IRS so 12% in untaxed tips (so you also save 28% on fed tax and 10% on state tax). Of course you’d report that extra 12% to the IRS – right ?

  • Mark

    OK, I’ll bite. Do the servers intend to share the tips with the busboy, dishwasher, cooks, and hostess? It only seems fair since they make minimum wage too.

    • Mike

      Servers do share tips with busboys, food runners, and bartenders in almost all restaurants, even hosts in some establishments. And the amount they have to tip is based on the amount they sale for the shift (usually 3% to 6% of the sales), so if you don’t tip it costs the server money. Cooks are usually always paid over min. wage btw.

    • AlanHanley

      Yes we do. All corporate restaurants have a mandatory tip-out to bartenders, busboys, hostesses, and everyone else in support roles in the restaurant.
      And while it is perfectly fair, no they are not making the same hourly wage. Servers are paid 2.13/hr, supporting staff is generally paid either minimum wage(in chain restaurants) or a little above.
      In as much as I’m good at my job, I disagree with an automatic 25% gratuity because I don’t like the idea of someone, who isnt working as hard as I am, making the same amount. However, I have to admit that I bristle a little bit at some of the comments that have been posted here. People that say they’re good tippers generally aren’t and I can’t help but notice that the majority of the venom flowing out of these posts are from people who identify themselves as good tippers. But, as in any profession, jerks are just a part of life. You have to deal with the idiots who don’t tip, or don’t tip well, in hopes of getting a good table. I went to college, got my degree, and still choose to pursue a career in this industry because I love what I do. There are plenty of like minded servers who work hard and take pride in what they do. If San Francisco is considering standardizing a gratuity amount, it’s because there aren’t enough patrons who appreciate that effort.

      • Average Consumer

        “If San Francisco is considering standardizing a gratuity amount, it’s because there aren’t enough patrons who appreciate that effort.”

        Only a tiny problm with your attitude — You can’t force patrons to come. As a matter of policy, I NEVER eat in an establishment with a mandatory tip.

        How d’ya like them apples?

      • AlanHanley

        I enjoy all types of apples Mr. Average Customer. At no point in my post did I imply that I had any interest in forcing anyone to go eat someplace that they didn’t want to and, in fact, I began my post by aknowledging that I think San Francisco’s proposed policy is misguided. So I’m not sure why you would say that there is a “problm with my attitude.” All I supposed at the end of what I wrote is, what should be a more than obvious supposition, that if San Francisco is considering adding a standard gratuity then they clearly don’t feel that there are enough customers that appreciate the work that the servers in their restaurants do.
        In as much as I don’t live or work in San Francisco, this policy doesn’t benefit me in the slightest. Furthermore, I don’t need an automatic gratuity added to my checks because the service I provide to guests is irreproachable. The only slightly incendiary remark that I made in my entire thought was that the people who are complaining about this proposal are probably the very same poor tippers that this law would be aimed at. Since you took no issue with that part of my post, I’ll assume that that statement isn’t applicable to you. Be that the case, I’m not sure where our disagreement lies but I’m sure you’ll be gracious enough to enlighten me.

      • captain pickles

        Jeez people do some research. Califonia law requires restaurants to pay wait staff ABOVE minimuim wage.

    • vanessa

      All of the people you are referring to above do make min. wage yet the server makes a little over 2.00 an hour in most states and this is totally legal. Servers are forced to tip out all of those people based on thet amount of the food that they sold not on what they actually brought in. Servers usually have to pay those people making min wage 5-10%. regardless of what they have done for the server. There should be tighter regulations on the eating establishments rather than the patrons. Please get your facts straight.

  • Matt Ruff

    Change the code so that a tip is “for work done above the normal”

    I tip based on service – bad service low tip,
    good service = good tip,
    great service = huge tip

    I was eating out by myself one day and the waitress was so good the tip was twice as much as the meal!

    I tip at one Fastfood restaurants if they have a TIP bucket

    • Terry

      I was taught that TIP stoood for “To Insure Promptness.” A tip should be strictly voluntary.

      • captain pickles

        You were taught wrong. I see this mistake being spread all the time.There are common inaccurate claims that “tip” (or “tips”) is an acronym for a phrase such as “To Insure Prompt Service”, “To Insure Proper Service”, “To Improve Performance”, “To Inspire Promptness” or “To Insure Promptness.” These false backronyms contradict the verifiable etymology, as follows. (Insure is wrong grammar – If anything it would be TEPS – to ENSURE prompt service).

        According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word tip originated as a slang term, and its etymology is unclear. The term in the sense of “to give a gratuity” first appeared in the 18th century. It derived from an earlier sense of tip, meaning “to give; to hand, pass”, which originated in the rogues’ cant in the 17th century. This sense may have derived from the 16th-century tip meaning “to strike or hit smartly but lightly” (which may have derived from the Low German tippen, “to tap”), but this derivation is “very uncertain”.

    • Daun

      HUGE TIP = Great Service

  • Bob Klingenberg

    When I get good service I usually tip well above 15%. A complex meal or making extra requests and I’ll tip as high as 40%. I realize that bad service is not always the fault of the waiter. Having to cover extra tables because someone called in sick or disorder in the kitchen isn’t the waiter’s fault. But I want the option. I understand a mandatory tip for big parties…. otherwise the waiter almost always gets shorted. If the city makes it a law… and let’s face it… SF already has more laws against personal freedom than any other city in California which is known as the least free state in the country… well… folks will just cut back on dining out. The restaurant industry has the highest failure rate of any business… tack on extra charges in a dismal economy and watch all the vacant businesses.

    • Kevin Pearson

      It the waitress is a good looking blond, I would usually tip 35%

      It the waiter is male, I will usually say, I changed my mind, and get up and leave.

  • fiftyville

    Why should I be compelled to pay off the waiter’s master’s degree in Comparative Literature??

  • Tony

    More socialist nonsense that’s nothing more than a tax. Tipping in the US is becoming ridiculous. San Francisco is already ridiculously expensive.

    • radii

      if we had a livable wage and free health care we wouldn’t need the tyranny of tipping at all – minimum wage $20 an hour, six weeks paid vacation, free cradle-to-grave healthcare, and unemployment at 80% of salary … then we don’t need tipping at all

      • Tim

        No pension?

      • KGA

        And an 80% income tax rate to pay for it all!

        Smart guy, this radii!

      • Thomas Hollander

        Why not get a different job? Maybe we shouldn’t be supporting restaurants that treat their employees as abominably as you say. Why is it the patrons duty to make up for the employer’s failings, and the employee’s willingness to put up with bad conditions? When I go out to dinner, at inexpensive eateries, most meals for my wife and I come to about $50, on which a tip would be about $7.50 to $8.00. If the waiter has only 10 tables a night, they’re getting about $80 in tips, or $400 per week (and that’s assuming small parties only – a 12 person party would easy bill $300, with an automatic 18% gratuity for $48 tip). A good waiter will make easily $600 or more in tips alone per week. So tips along would be $20,000 to $30,000 per year. For many people, that’s their entire salary.

        For expensive resteraunts, it’d be double that, and when you start adding alchol to the bill, it’s even more.

        Somehow, I’m not moved to increase the tip anytime soon.

        And Radii, if you had a minium wage of $20 per hour, the average dinner bill would be $200 instead of $50, and your $20 would buy even less than your salary does now. And everyone got 6 weeks of vacation, free healthcare and unemployment at 80% of salary we’d need to tax everyone 75% of their wage. But you probably don’t pay taxes……

      • Real American

        why not $100 per hour minimum wage?

        will accomplish the same results

      • Bucky J. Powers

        I have an idea radii. Why don’t you move out of your parents basement, get a real job where you make real money. It will require you to go to college, study and not stay stoned all the time.

        Hell No I won’t pay a 25% tip. I can go to the grocery store, buy my own food and save my money. MY MONEY, not yours, not anyone elses, the money that I make from working 12 hour days that start at 6:00 am, because I’m an adult and I have responsibilities.

      • StoptheWhine

        Since you’re commenting here I’m assuming you have a living wage–otherwise you wouldn’t be living. Don’t like your job find a new one or start your own business quit trying to be a freeloader

      • Luke

        Greece called. They want you to return immediately. Your passport is about to expire.

  • Miguel Saavadera

    We need to move these slugs to Asia, Australia, and New Zealand or better yet Japan, where excellent service is expected and a tip is viewed as an insult.

    You get a tip for going above and beyond… if you do poorly you get reported to the Head Waiter/Head Server or maître d’hôtel., and potentially get absolutely no tip … if you do average it will be between 10 – 15%, and above average 20%. Paying 25% (a quarter of your meals price) is not acceptable…

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