Homeland Security Wants To Shut Down South Bay University

SAN JOSE (KPIX 5) — If you want to come to the United States and get a job, it’s a well-known “secret” that a student visa is the easy ticket in.

Several colleges in California have recently been caught abusing the system. Now KPIX 5 has learned Homeland Security wants to shut another one down. It’s a bay area school Devin Fehely investigated a year ago.

This is what we saw in an undercover visit to International Technological University in 2015: Deserted hallways and half-empty classrooms, even though 2700 students were enrolled.

Fast forward to 2016 and things at the San Jose college look pretty much the same. But ITU’s president Dr. Gregory O’Brien says he’s made big changes since our last visit.

“Today I am very comfortable that this is a quality institution doing things the right way,” he said.

He says attendance now is closely monitored to make sure students are really studying. And off campus internships are strictly supervised.

“I think we talked to you last year of the fact that we were in the middle of a major reform of our internship policy,” said Dr. O’Brien.

But it seems the reforms have not convinced Homeland Security. They have issued a so-called Notice of Intent to Withdraw the university from the Student and Exchange Visitor’s Program. Schools that are not part of the program cannot accept foreign students. That’s essentially almost everyone attending class here.

Sources tell KPIX 5 the government’s investigation centers on the school’s internship program.

Through a Freedom of Information request we obtained a list of companies that provided ITU students paid internships over the last 5 years. Turns out most of them are placement agencies, like Betasoft Systems. Close to 400 students from ITU took internships with the company.

“It’s so unethical it’s wrong,” said Sabeen Sadiq.

She was not an ITU student but she signed up for a 6-week training course in 2014. She says it turned out to be training on how to fake your way into a job. She says Betasoft created fake resumes for the people who signed up with them.

“There were like 2 pages of false experience, saying that I, you know, worked for AT&T in Texas, and like all of this stuff that I have never done in my life,” said Sabeen.

Betasoft is no longer in business but its owners now run another placement company called US IT Solutions. We paid them an undercover visit. A woman told our producer that the training Sabeen took is no longer offered. “We only employ people who have 3-4 years relevant IT experience,” she said.

But she said foreign students are welcome and can be fast-tracked into the workforce. “We can sponsor their H1, not a problem,” she told our producer.

“That is very problematic,” said Jessica Vaughn, with the Center for Immigration Studies. “If their employer is listed as a placement agency, then the government has no way to keep track of if they are working at all or if they have disappeared,” she said.

KPIX 5 asked her from a national security standpoint why it’s important to make sure that these are, in fact, legitimate students. Her response: “Student visas are issued for a much longer period of time than other kinds of visas like business or tourist visas, so they are really coveted by terrorist organizations in particular.”

Back at ITU, Dr. O’Brien says despite the school’s past problems he remains convinced that its current reforms will satisfy government regulators.

“I can’t tell you that ITU was always doing everything the right way,” he said. “But since 2015 when I came, I believe we are in very good shape.”

US IT Solutions turned down KPIX 5’s request for an interview, but in a statement the company says it has no relationship with ITU or Betasoft. The company did respond to our emailed questions. Here’s what they sent:

US IT Solutions is a professional services company that specializes in providing information technology consulting and staffing resources. US IT Solutions provides a wide range of customized managed staffing services and staffing solutions including: permanent placement, contract to hire placement, long and short term consulting engagements, global staffing, dedicated on-site service, and expert sourcing of highly qualified, diverse talent. Our placements range from US nationals to permanent residents, work visa holders, and others entitled to work in the US. US IT Solutions has never provided work training services or related services.

US IT Solutions does not have any relationship with ITU, other than a small number of the employees we have hired and placed, were from ITU. We have had no direct communication with anyone at ITU, and have never ever visited the college, or met someone there, or conducted any recruitment drives or job fairs there. Our primary focus in considering applicants for employment, is whether they are legally eligible to work in the United States, and what school they may have attended, is not a factor in hiring or placement.

Beta Soft Systems is closed and no longer in business, so we cannot comment on that. Currently we have only 5 employees who attended ITU, which is not even 3% of the total number of our current employees. Of these 5, 2 previously worked with Beta Soft Systems, and the other 3 we hired are referrals from our existing employees. They are presently working at client sites. The employees have confidentiality rights under California law that we are obligated to honor, and our clients also have confidentiality understandings with our company, so we are not able to divulge the work sites for these five employees.

We understand CBS’s focus on ITU, but as evident in the answers above, US IT Solutions neither has any relationship with ITU, nor does it perform any of the training or resume-related work with employees that other companies continue to do in this area. US IT Solutions is a new entity that has been working very hard over the last year to build and sustain our business and to provide gainful employment for over 100 people in this area, and any inaccurate report falsely tying us to another company could be very harmful to the business and the many employees and their families who rely on us. We are compliant with all the state and federal laws, and hire only qualified people to work for us. We are running a very clean business and are working very hard to grow it by providing employment for qualified US nationals and work-eligible residents. Given our lack of connection or significant number of employees from ITU, we respectfully suggest that US IT Solutions is not a worthwhile focus of this story, and would prefer that we not be included in it.

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  1. mastier says:

    I do not see this has any difference with others universities. 20-30 students in each classroom. OK, I do see there is a one student classroom. Is he making up the exam?

    Only undergraduate colleges are always full of people. I do not think this journalist ever gains a master degree and he has no knowledge of graduate school. In my graduate school, I joined even a 4 people class for a high level class.

  2. Grant says:

    Lots of professional-oriented graduate programs offer majority of courses during weekends/late hours of weekdays. I guess the journalist never attended grad school himself/herself. Possibly a rejected student by ITU? ( :

  3. Johnny says:

    This report tends to draw conclusions way too early and some places misleading. As a student studying in ITU, I know the university performs well in the education and prepares students for their professions. The professors there are doing really great jobs targeting on introducing edge cutting technologies into academic courses. The physical attendance of students is strictly followed by a check in and check out system.

    The article used “Deserted hallways and half-empty classrooms” as an implication, but I can hardly imagine a university, especially for graduate school, which has crowded hallways with classrooms full of students (That would be a mall, not a university…)

    I truly doubt what the journalist’s motivation is and where it is from. Just read the start for this report, “If you want to come to the United States and get a job, its a well-known “secret” that a student visa is the easy ticket in.” you could be easily given the impression that all or most of the students in ITU are solely for the purposes of coming to and staying in US to get a job, which is not true. And even worse, the word “secret” is used to imply the university as a “shortcut” to achieve those purposes. As I talked to other classmate, most of them are truly motivated to learn Silicon Valley technologies and knowledge of managements.

    It is also really unfair to blame the company Betasoft’s fault of creating fake resume on ITU, if it did so.

    Hopefully, Homeland Security will make an investigation with respect of facts, not being mislead by media easily.

    1. Charan Chaganti says:

      I totally agree with you Johnny. It was olden days (2004-5) students were doing just to come to US. But these days, I see lot of genuine and drive within students to learn technologies. They are learning good things here. The courses are good. That’s the only motivational factor here. Please media, if you have something else in your mind, then this is not the right way to do and project. This is unethical. You should talk to students also how they are feeling about the university. Don’t go by one-sided opinions.

    2. Charan Chaganti says:

      And if the company is accepting those many students, question the company (Betasoft/ US IT) not the university.

  4. Charan Chaganti says:

    I am a full-time working professional in one of big companies in SF city and a non-ITU student. I am here to express my view. I have seen ITU’s course curriculum and it is one of the best on par with the current industry requirements such as Big Data, Computer Algorithms etc. Also, I have seen all the professors and students are working with diligence and sincerity. I don’t see any reason why the DHS is running behind good universities unless they have a special grudge on them. This is unethical and not fair on part of DHS. Think about the life of genuine students as well before making any hasty decision.

  5. Akshay Baheti says:

    I don’t study at ITU. But I have a friend who does. DHS has some misconception about the university. Students study hard and the professors are very good compared to many universities in the US. The internship program has a very comprehensive review process. And All employers are verified by ITU. DHS should really blacklist placement agencies if it has a problem with them. But since DHS cannot track the placement agencies it investigates the school.

  6. Joe says:

    The astro-turfing from ITU is astonishing.
    If only they would put as much effort into becoming a rel university…

    1. masterid2 says:

      Yourself need to put as much effort into the real facts and reasons rather than just saying “astro-turfing”.

  7. Sam Whiting says:

    Details will come out after the indictments. Astro-turfing by supposed post-graduates who are unacquainted with standard English grammar won’t postpone the inevitable.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      A lot of Asians from prestigious universities don’t know good english grammer too. Some use chinese text books and some of other language. So what’s your point about the language?

  8. Adam says:

    A completely biased article full of factual errors. The writer has good imagination and little information about current education systems and rules.

  9. Andrew Cheng says:

    I posted a comment and they didn’t even publish it

  10. Andrew Cheng says:

    All that KPIX did is mindless finger pointing. Why did they even combine Betasoft systems to ITU? What is students from prestigious universities ended up taking employment with staffing agencies? Will KPIX and DHS call for a shutdown of these universities too?
    If DHS is worried about security, they should ask staffing agencies to give out details of their employees, where they work,
    client location etc. That would be a good beginning and not defaming a good upcoming university dedicated
    to teach its students job critical skills through their excellent coursework.

    Moreover, isn’t it common sense thing that empty classrooms during a summer session is because students are out for internship? Please go to SJSU/CSU during summer and see the situation.

    1. JoeF says:

      Students from prestigious universities don’t sign up with 4th-tier institutions like ITU.
      Such students sign up with real universities. And such students get job offers from good companies and don’t sign up with staffing agencies.
      The people who sign up with ITU and similar frauds like the closed TVU (Tri-Valley, the owner serves 14 years for immigration fraud…) are people who barely got their undergrad degree.

      1. Andrew Cheng says:

        Hi JoeF, I think you are far far away from reality. I have seen my friends who graduate from SJSU/CSU try a lot to get into good companies but are not able to. The job market has become so competitive that people with prior experience (3-4 years) get into good ones. People who are freshers don’t. Please check your facts

        And, I mentioned about students from prestigious universities signing up for staffing companies and not universities. Students from ITU (talented ones) have gotten into Apple, Google. Check linkedin for more information. Talent can grow anywhere doesn’t have to be from prestigious universities.

      2. Andrew Cheng says:

        And to give you more facts, people in some state universities too have completed undergrad with much difficult (having 2-3 backlogs)

      3. Andrew Cheng says:

        And for your information, prestigious universities have been around for a long long time (Stanford was founded in 1891, SJSU in 1857) than ITU (founded in 1994). It takes a lot of time for universities to become famous and established and well known in the academia and industry. It’s the past alumni who make it better and for ITU, alumni have slowly started getting opportunities in good companies.

  11. JoeF says:

    Andrew, with all the startups in the Bay Area, the job market is good for CS people.
    And in SoCal where I am as well. We hire people from local universities.
    It is YOU who has to check facts.
    People from ITU of course won’t get hired anywhere except staffing agencies, because they are bad students from a fraudulent “university.”
    It seems you haven’t heard of TVU (Tri-Valley.) Look it up. ITU is of the same cloth.

    1. atul maheshwari says:

      my wife works for a very good company in the bayarea but this year her H1B was not picked up in the lottery. She really doesn’t want to loose her job and has thus decided to study at ITU while she continues working on a CPT. Just FYI, she has a bachelors degree in computer sciences from the top university in India (IIT-kharagpur) so she is not a bad student for sure.

      I am surprised that they’d be closing down this college cause they paint all students with a same brush; either the students from ITU are low grade or they are terrorists!.. I really don’t know if America cares about highly qualified immigrants anymore 😦

      1. JoeF says:

        What your wife does is abuse of CPT.
        That kind of stuff is the reason why ITU is in trouble.
        CPT is NOT and has NEVER been for work in some arbitrary job.
        Her career in the US is over. With the CPT abuse, it is unlikely she will ever get an H1.

        As far as your rant about “qualified immigrants” goes, qualified immigrants don’t sign up with frauds like ITU. Qualified immigrants use common sense, and their brains. They would realize that ITU and their ilk are frauds.

  12. JoeF says:

    ITU for most if it’s existence was unaccredited, and has been known to sign up every foreigner they could get. “Students” from ITU got killed in robberies in convenience stores in the Mid-West, while they were supposed to be studying in San Jose. http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/andhra_pradesh/article174118.ece
    Foreign students are not even allowed to work in convenience stores, but ITU (fraudulently) gave him a permit.
    ITU has been a fraud since it was founded.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      It’s not “Students”. It’s a student from ITU. Please read properly before posting.
      Also, the student who was killed in Texas gas station was a student who was doing his M.S. Computer Science in the University of Houston-Clear Lake which is a so called “Good” university according to your definition and not a fake university. So first please go and question that university as to why did they approve his CPT visa for that job.

  13. Andrew Cheng says:

    I have heard about TVU and I very well know that they weren’t even accredited. ITU is accredited by WASC. Why do you think they accredited them? Just for fun?
    It’s because they have showed promise in the way they have been developing their coursework. So give another 80 years to ITU and then see.
    And if the industry doesn’t even want to interview ITU students thinking that they are bad, it’s their problem. They are being narrow minded. They are just going by the word of mouth. Why not they come to ITU for the sake of coming and see what talent exists within.
    And what people who don’t accepted by any good university? Should they sit at home? No right. They would want to further their knowledge somehow and hence they join university like ITU which has industry relevant coursework. It’s not because they want a way to get a job somehow. People who sign up for bad or good universities come with an intent of getting jobs ultimately, whether it be staffing agencies or good companies. So if a student from a prestigious university doesn’t get a job, for instance, will he go back after spending so much money? No, right? He will join some consultancy job and then grow up in life.
    I do oppose those staffing companies who beef up the resume in order to place people. But a lot of my friends have opposed to that when companies have asked them to saying we don’t want to start our career on a bad note. So it’s upto the candidate to decide how he wants his future career to be projected.
    Additionally, you should be aware of the politics that the state universities play in accepting international students. They don’t accept students who are residents (GC holders or even H4 visa holders who have passed the residency test) just because they will get less tuition fee (Non resident fee versus resident) and tend to accept more of F1 students. So these rejected students, talented as they are, want some place to gain skills and so they go to universities like ITU. So this doesn’t make the entire ITU an university with bad students.

  14. JoeF says:

    ITU has been on probation by WASC because they continued their old way of signing up anybody who can walk, and of not tracking progress.
    I suggest you read up on that. The report is on the WASC website.
    ITU hasn’t learned from it, they are as bad as ever, and are a fraud. It is as simple as that.
    I do know that they don’t like to hear that, and they at some point sicced their lawyers on an immigration law firm on whose forum I post: http://forum.murthy.com/index.php?/topic/72604-work-permit-from-university/
    I stand by my opinion and I consider it a badge of honor that ITU feals so threatened about my posts… I also helped expose TVU, btw.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Can you send me a link to the WASC report?

  15. JoeF says:

    And if you had read the article about the “student” killed,, you’d see that the article mentions another student killed who was at ITU. ANn there have been more instances. Use Google. Or are you afraid???
    ITU is a fraud, plain and simple.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      JoeF, my question to you on this student who got killed is plain and simple. What about the student from University of Houston-Clear Lake who also worked at the convenience store? Are you afraid to answer this question of mine?
      Why don’t you go and expose them too? They are a good state university according to you right?

    2. Andrew Cheng says:

      And I did a lot of google search and did not find any other student from ITU who got killed. Send me the link if you can. I challenge you

  16. JoeF says:

    Here’s another article, me even doing the Google searches for you:
    http://www.mercurynews.com/2011/07/16/universities-or-visa-mills/
    ITU is a fraud, plain and simple.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Again, my question is plain and simple. The article mentions about that particular student from ITU who got killed from ITU. What about the student from University of Houston-Clear Lake? Why did they sign off his internship CPT visa for working at a convenience store?

  17. JoeF says:

    This is an article about ITU.
    ITU is a fraud, Case closed.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Why. Are you afraid? LOL

  18. JoeF says:

    ITU is a fraud. QED.
    Case closed.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      JoeF I think you are a fraud. Case closed

    2. Andrew Cheng says:

      You are similar to Trump who just criticizes without any proof and just wants to build a wall (in this case calling ITU fraud). LOL

  19. JoeF says:

    Andrew, it is obvious that you don’t have any arguments. Your silly ad hominems are proof. I’ve seen this kind of sillyness before, e.g., from the owner of TVU, before they got raided.
    Thanks for showing to the world that I am right. ITU is a fraud.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      And FYI, I am the one who is doing sane arguments and asking you proof and you don’t have any. LOL You just have to say “ITU is a fraud”. Like a child

  20. Andrew Cheng says:

    LOL. All the people in this comments section know that you are a Fraud. Maybe a 4th tier freelance reporter who wants to collect news like these without any proof.

    Give proof for ITU being on probation. I challenge you.

  21. JoeF says:

    Another ad hominem, eh? How lame. You only show that I am right.
    And for ITU’s accreditation issues, search WASC. Do your own homework, troll.

  22. Andrew Cheng says:

    LOL.Why? Are you chickening out of this? Why should I do my homework? Troll

    You are the one who is claiming ITU is on probation so provide proof. If you cannot, just opt out of this. You are making no sense

  23. Andrew Cheng says:

    I searched and I have links to show that ITU’s accreditation is still continuing and no probation. You are such a big lie.

  24. JoeF says:

    Sigh. You are really a nut case.
    The proof that ITU is a fraud are all over the Internet.
    Search for them! Or are you so intellectually challenged that you are not able to do that???
    It takes just a few minutes. Do your own homework.
    Your asto-turfing has failed.
    ITU is a fraud.

  25. JoeF says:

    Andrew, you didn’t search anything. Your posts prove that.
    Here’s a hint: Start with the Wikipedia article about ITU. Lots of references there.
    You are just a troll from ITU.

  26. Andrew Cheng says:

    LOL LOL LOL. My question is plain and simple. You still haven’t given me proof for ITU being on probation. So don’t act like a nut case yourself and have the guts to provide that proof.

    And read the links at the end of wikipedia and see the WASC visit reports and how they appreciated ITU’s efforts in improving the quality of education after the accreditation.

    You are, as I said, just a troll 4th tier reporter trying to become a sensation. LOL

  27. Andrew Cheng says:

    And if the real issue here is students taking advantage of the CPT visa, the student from University of Houston who got killed is no different.

  28. JoeF says:

    Given that you don’t know how to search Google,a nd you need to be spoonfed, you are obviously an immature kid still living with your parents. Access to Google blocked, eh?
    Grow up. Then you can come back to the adult table.

    ITU is clearly a fraud. Astro-turfing and trolling from you and other ITU people doesn’t change that.
    I applaud ICE to get this fraud shut down.

  29. Andrew Cheng says:

    Please provide proof of ITU being on probation. Become a man dude

  30. JoeF says:

    Andrew, first get out of your parents’ house. The only “dude” I know is in the movie “The Big Lebowski”…
    Second, learn how to use search engines.

  31. Andrew Cheng says:

    Please provide proof of ITU being on probation

  32. JoeF says:

    Andrew, first get out of your parents’ house. The only “dude” I know is in the movie “The Big Lebowski”…
    Second, learn how to use search engines.

    Your only reaction to my post being not using the “dude” anymore is not enough. Read and understand the second sentence. Do your homework. You only react to links I post, you don’t even have any thoughts and ideas of your own. Quite what I expected from somebody from ITU. They don’t teach anything there, apparently not even how to search the Internet…
    ITu is a fraud. That’s all there is to it. You wasted your money with that fraud.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      And hoping that your parents have taught you to communicate and look for the truth as my parents did, you can call WASC directly and talk to an Accreditation Process Coordinator there and ask about ITU’s academic standing. I had called today morning and was told that ITU was accredited since 2012 and is facing no issues whatsoever and has been in good academic standing.
      So case closed.

    2. Andrew Cheng says:

      “You only react to links I post, you don’t even have any thoughts and ideas of your own”.
      In fact, the blatant truth is that I have been giving proofs and you have just been replying to those saying everything is false.
      Maybe you are living in a false world of your own buddy.

  33. Andrew Cheng says:

    Please provide proof of ITU being on probation and then talk

  34. Andrew Cheng says:

    https://www.wascsenior.org/institutions
    Check this. Being out of your parents house, you are still a nut case and haven’t learned on how to use google search

  35. Andrew Cheng says:

    The link I sent has various filters like “Accredited on Probation”, “Accredited with warning” and “Accredited with Notice of Concern” and ITU doesn’t come in those categories. So go back to your parents home and learn something straight

  36. JoeF says:

    More from the WASC report:
    “The Special Team understands that ITU had a meeting with the relevant SEVIS personnel shortly following its visit. ITU seems appropriately aware that SEVIS is critically important to ITU’s business model. However, the Special Team believes the current system, which allows very early CPT participation is, while legal, likely inappropriate and that ITU needs to be more conservative in its approach to CPT. ”

    With the ICE action, it is evident that ITU seems to have returned once again to the old ways that ITU followed before they were accredited, returned to in late 2014, as criticized by WASC in their February 2015 report.
    It doesn’t surprise me that they can’t do things the right way, because giving out CPT to anybody who can walk is like printing money.
    Real universities want their students to succeed, and are not about getting a fancy car (or a mansion, like what the TVU owner used the money for) for the CEO.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      And to your question of making money, don’t you think the students are also succeeding? Aren’t they getting jobs? Whether it is a staffing company or good companies, any program or university will want its students to succeed and find a job. It’s not like ITU just takes money and doesn’t teach anything. They have industry relevant coursework and programs appropriate for the silicon valley and they are improving the quality of education at a good pace. They are only 20 years old and it takes time to hire good faculty and develop a good program.
      It’s upto the students to take up whatever job they want. They are not forced to take consultancy jobs. It’s their choice. ITU doesn’t force people to join Betasoft systems.

    2. Andrew Cheng says:

      New hires, reallocations of human resource assets, clearer job descriptions, clearer
      reporting structures and a consensus-based policy setting process have been set up and
      are providing a more orderly management process. The presence of a new Provost (to
      accentuate the role of academics) and a seasoned DSO-PDSO (with several decades of
      experience from a senior position at UCLA) are also doing much to create greater
      program integrity than existed under previous management.

    3. Andrew Cheng says:

      Your claim of ITU being on probation is WRONG. I have just proved it. Matter closed on accreditation doubts.

  37. Andrew Cheng says:

    Here is the entire paragraph from the report.
    The Special Team understands that ITU had a meeting with the relevant SEVIS personnel shortly following its visit. ITU seems appropriately aware that SEVIS is critically important to ITU’s business model. However, the Special Team believes the current system, which allows very early CPT participation is, while legal, likely inappropriate and that ITU needs to be more
    conservative in its approach to CPT. The seasoned opinion of ITU’s new PDSO should carry
    great weight as ITU seeks, as it has stated it will, to introduce an introductory course approach to CPT, find an equally appropriately alternative, or discontinue the practice of allowing firstsemester CPT. The real decision, however, will be made under the direction of SEVIS and the Special Team advises ITU to be especially careful to follow the spirit of the CPT rules as well as just the letter. Although the CPT regulations permit employment connected with curricular
    practical training, CPT should not be looked at simply as a form of “work authorization.”

    So as the report says, it is legal for students under the CPT rules to do internships as a part of their curriculum early on. But it was a suggestion from SEVIS to ITU to stop the first sem CPT program which in fact it has done.
    And a university has to be shut down if it is doing some unlawful or illegal activity whereas ITU is playing well within the CPT rules. That doesn’t call for shutting down a university.

  38. JoeF says:

    New hires in 2015, but apparently now back to the old ways.
    And CPT from day 1 is nowadays a big red flag for the authorities. It is not illegal per se, but the way these frauds, ITU, TVU, Herguan, UNVA have done it is illegal.
    You really need to learn a lot of things about student visas, and the rules around it.
    Thanks for showing that you have no clue about any of these things. I suspected it, and I am happy that you confirmed it.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      JoeF, new hires are new hires, If the University is telling that after the change in management things have changed it means things have changed. And WASC was satisfied with the way ITU has handled the issues after the change in management.
      And moreover, if CPT from first day is a problem, why doesn’t DHS bring a rule not to give CPTs to students from day 1?
      And your statement ” but the way these frauds, ITU, TVU, Herguan, UNVA have done it is illega”, what exactly have they done? Can you elaborate?

  39. Andrew Cheng says:

    And moreover, it’s not the first day CPT or last day CPT that we should be worried about from the point of internal safety. DHS should track where the students are working which will then solve all these security issues. TVU, Herguan and UNVA are unaccredited universities to begin with.

  40. JoeF says:

    Ask DHS. I am not DHS. Or better, ask Congress. I hope you know how laws are made in this country…

    Fact is that no real university issues CPT from day 1. This is only done by shady institutions like ITU. Read up on CPT.
    You show time and again that you are a clueless troll.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Fact is according to the CPT laws, there is nothing which says that CPT cannot be given during first semester. ITU used to grant CPT to incoming students prior to 2012 when it was unaccredited. Get your facts right first rather than just blurting out.
      As far as who is a clueless troll, It’s you who have been proved wrong so many times in these conversions. I proved you wrong on ITU being on probation, I proved you wrong on the student who got killed in Texas gas station not from ITU. So if you are a journalist, please resign immediately. If you are not one, please go back to what you are best at doing. These matters are nowhere close to you understanding.

    2. Andrew Cheng says:

      And you told exactly right. When there is no law, it makes sense to bring this issue up with DHS and bring a law which prevents giving CPT in first sem rather than shutting down a university.
      And as I said before, CPT can be taken only for a maximum of one year. So if a student is doing CPT from his first semester, he still has to get his Masters done and complete his credits. If a student from a prestigious university does CPT for 3 terms after 1 year in college as opposed to a student from ITU who does 3 CPT terms in the first year and then completes his course credits in the second year, what is the difference? As long as the CPT is done in the area of curriculum, it is totally fine and well within the rules.

      If the student is working at a gas station, that’s totally unacceptable and should be avoided. And if you see the video recording of the new above and run through the companies who have hired the CPT interns, all are software consultancy/staffing firms. And when the student reports that I have got into XXX consultancy firm and my work location is going to be XXX, ITU cannot go and check whether it is a convenience store or a software client. They are not detectives to do that. They believe that the student will work for a software client as what is specified on the CPT job offer.

      So before you teach rules or even talk about, please go and take a course with DHS/USCIS

    3. Andrew Cheng says:

      JoeF

      Read this on the DHS website. Read in particular point number 2. It says that if the program requires CPT during first semester, it is perfectly legal to give CPT.

      https://www.ice.gov/sevis/practical-training

      1) CPT is integral to your major and the experience must be part of your program of study.
      2) When you enroll at the graduate level, your designated school official (DSO) may authorize CPT during your first semester if your program requires this type of experience. Ask your DSO for details.
      3) Your DSO will provide you a new Form I-20, “Certificate of Eligibility for Nonimmigrant Student Status,” that shows that the DSO has approved you for this employment.
      4) You can work on CPT either full-time or part-time.
      5) CPT requires a signed cooperative agreement or a letter from your employer.
      6) If you have 12 months or more of full-time CPT, you are ineligible for OPT, but part-time CPT is fine and will not stop you from doing OPT.

      So before teaching others the rules, please do a fact check.

  41. JoeF says:

    Sigh. Read the law! A website, even the DHS website, is completely irrelevant.
    And get lost, troll.
    Fact is that ITU is a fraud.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      LOL. I can see your helplessness in not being able to defend what DHS has on their website about CPT. I feel sorry for you buddy. You have proved to everyone today how big of an idiot you are. Thanks for your comments. Now ITU will come out clean.

  42. JoeF says:

    It is obvious that you don’t even know how laws are made in the US.
    DHS can NOT make laws! Geez. Have you slept through high school???
    You clearly are an uneducated bum. Get lost.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      LOL. Seems like you have slept through your entire life and have not read about rules and laws. Shame on you. Get the hell outta here buddy before other people here blast at you.

  43. Jes says:

    JoeF, the problem is your misconception, which in your case is that if an instituition offers CPT in first semester (which currently isn’t the case with ITU), then its bad. In the first place if giving out CPT in the first semester is bad then why do you think DHS has it published it in its website? So you think DHS is also fraud then?

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Hey Jes, Problem with JoeF is that only he and his set of genuine universities are genuine. DHS, USCIS, US Govt, ITU is fraud. He applauds ICE because they promised him that they will shut down ITU. If they don’t in the near future, then ICE is also a fraud. LOL
      Such an idiot

  44. Andrew Cheng says:

    JoeF’s achivements so far:

    1) Claimed that ITU accreditation status is on Probation – Proved WRONG
    2) Claimed that students from ITU got killed and the ne particular student whom he claimed to have got killed in Texas is from ITU – Proved Wrong
    3) Claimed that CPT cannot be given in first semester – Proved WRONG (from DHS website proof)

    I think we can conclude that ITU is safe and we should all go and do some constructive work. JoeF you can leave with respect if you would like to or get more dumb with passing time.

  45. JoeF says:

    Jes, no, it is well known that for USCIS and ICE, CPT from day 1 is a big red flag.
    No real university does that. CPT is for internships, to apply the topic learned in a real-world setting. Obviously, that’s not possible if the internship is done before that class has happened.
    And ICE knows this. You and Andrew clearly have no clue about these things.
    That’s the difference of being an astro-turfer and having followed these things for years.
    The astro-turfing is not going to change things.
    In the end, I will be vindicated, like I have been in discussions about other such fraud “universities.” Facts always trump astro-turfing.

  46. Jes says:

    JoeF from the above conversation it appears that your claims do not stand anywhere. All you talked about were your misconceptions, your opinion about ITU and none were facts.

  47. JoeF says:

    Of course, you guys, Jes and Andrew, are welcome to stay ignorant.
    In the end, it will be obvious that I am right. Smart people know that I am right, not-so-smart people, well, we have seen you here in this thread…

  48. Andrew Cheng says:

    JoeF, then why do you think DHS has mentioned it’s upto the DSO office of University to decide based on the program they have at the University. Just for FUN?
    Anyways, time will tell us who will be vindicated and who will be made fun of.

  49. JoeF says:

    Of course, you guys, Jes, and Andrew, can choose to stay ignorant.
    In the end, it will be clear that I have been right about this all along. I have seen this pattern play out lots of times before, and I have always been right on these things.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Sorry buddy it’s the end of those good days for you. You played your luck with unaccredited universities which actually might have done other sorts of fraud. I will treat you with good newsd from ITU shortly. Stay tuned.

  50. Jes says:

    If you look at the profiles of the foreign students here at US, almost 90% of them have prior industry experience in which case it makes sense if they go take up the CPT and get industry exposure here in the US

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      And it’s not like they just take CPT and come back and receive the degree. They do have to do assignments, write exams, do projects and complete the required credits. I think JoeF is an old timer with no real knowledge of modern world education options. He is probably one of those who complains that foreign workers are taking away American jobs.

  51. Andrew Cheng says:

    Smart people have already decided based on the facts presented in this conversation that who is right and who is wrong. It isn’t rocket science to go to the links I have posted and read the facts yourself. So JoeF please stop your Trump Astro Turfing and get back to work buddy. Cya in a short timewith good news about ITU.

  52. JoeF says:

    Andrew, so you ARE astro-turfing. Thanks for confirming what I suspected.
    Your posts actually confirm nicely that ITU is a fraud.

  53. Jes says:

    I do not believe in the fact that classroom training teaches everything. It is only a stepping stone. Its essential to have hands-on experience to learn any basics. In fact classroom training doesn’t even help you to learn the real time challenges in the industry today. So i am totally in for if students wants to take up CPT in the beginning, cater for better experience than the classroom training and then utilize these skills to excel in the academics as well as do better research work.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      That’s perfectly correct Jes. I have seen interns in the past in my past companies from prestigious state universities who never paid attention to what was done in the courses and are so underprepared that they performed so badly. Only the ones you have had prior work experience before degree have faired well. So what’s the point in even doing the coursework in the beginning? How does it really prepare you? Moreover, people normally take math courses and other core courses in their initial semesters. How does that prepare them for a software internship where they have to work on let’s say Big Data.
      JoeF, I understand you are from a prestigious university and you feel really jealous of others who are trying hard to gain skills through means which are legal according to DHS.

  54. JoeF says:

    “I will treat you with good newsd from ITU shortly.”
    Here, ladies and Gentlemen, do we have the proof of astro-turfing.
    It is always the same. Eventually, these guys expose themselves.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      And as you may well be thinking from your idiotic reasoning, I am neither a student from ITU nor a staff working at ITU. I am some common man who is here to open the eyes of people like you and make you aware of current CPT laws, facts that are being misleaded by you.
      So troll and LOL to you

  55. Andrew Cheng says:

    LOL. Get a life dude. You only know astro turfing seems like. Don’t worry. Read the newspaper and staytuned

  56. Jes says:

    and yes along with internship, perform well in academics, quizzes, assignments like said. So every student irrespective of any university goes through same amount pressure and work load.

  57. JoeF says:

    Andrew, since you are from ITU, I am sure you can tell us which part of the regulations in 8 CFR 214.4 are listed in the letter from ICE…
    https://www.ice.gov/sevis/schools/reg#2144

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      And as you may well be thinking from your idiotic reasoning, I am neither a student from ITU nor a staff working at ITU. I am some common man who is here to open the eyes of people like you and make you aware of current CPT laws, facts that are being misleaded by you.
      So troll and LOL to you

  58. Andrew Cheng says:

    And I have studied in a very prestigious university and have seen how people study there.
    ITU is a not a fraud. Case closed

  59. JoeF says:

    “And I have studied in a very prestigious university”
    Yeah right…
    ITU has been a fraud since it’s start. Abuse of CPT, etc. had been rampant there.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      “And I have studied in a very prestigious university”
      Yeah I am absolutely right…

  60. Andrew Cheng says:

    ITU was faulty. But now ITU is not a fraud. Case closed

  61. JoeF says:

    Andrew, since you claimed to have “good newsd from ITU shortly”, you clearly are an employee of that institution.
    As I said, sooner or later all these astro-turfers expose themselves. Busted.

  62. JoeF says:

    Andrew, since you claimed to have “good newsd from ITU shortly”, you are clearly an employee of that institution.
    As I said, sooner or later, these astro-turfers all expose themselves. Busted.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      I hope you know how to interpret english language. All I know is that you know the word “Astro Turfing”. “good news from ITU shortly”doesn’t necessary mean that I am from ITU dumbo. It means I will get you the good news when i read on newspapers and will come back to this forum if it exists to give you the good news. Man, you are like a baby who needs to be spoonfed and made understand everything.

    2. Andrew Cheng says:

      And funny thing is you sound like you have won a lot of those mafia games which you might have played in high school with your friends. So you keep saying “Ahhh see now I caught you since you told me that you will give me good news” . Grow up buddy. Those days are over.

  63. Andrew Cheng says:

    Think the way you want as you have been guessing and thinking in these chat conversations. Reality doesn’t change. LOL

  64. Sam says:

    JoeF, you literally have no idea what you’re talking about but I really enjoyed your ignorance.

    Keep up the good work.

    ps SJSU alumni.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Sam no use in telling JoeF. that you are a SJSU alumni. He will tag you too as an ITU student/employee.

  65. JoeF says:

    It is always funny to see these astro-turfers squirming.
    It is somewhat like pulling teeth, but eventually, they all let it slip that they work for the institution under discussion.
    Of course, once that has slipped out, they try hard to bury it. Doesn’t work, though…
    Andrew, you are busted.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      You are a cute little kid who is wanting to play this “Busted game. But sorry kid. I am bust working at office. But you were entertaining kid. Try your luck at some high school near your home tomorrow.

    2. Andrew Cheng says:

      More than anyone, you have proved that you are indeed the news reporter who reported this and is feeling horrible when someone presents facts versus what you media guys normally report false in the news

  66. Andrew Cheng says:

    Lol. I agree with you Mafia king. But I am not your school buddy anymore. So please go to high school tomorrow and play this “Busted” game of yours kid.

  67. JoeF says:

    And when these astro-turfers have nothing else anymore, when they can’t hide the fact that they work for the institution under discussion, they come up with name calling and “cute little kid” BS.
    Unlike you, I’ve been around the block a couple of times. The kid is you.
    You got busted. You exposed yourself as an employee at ITU.
    Game over. Better luck next time.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      And dear kid, we are not playing a game here. LOL. If you want games, ask your parents to buy you a video game or something. This real world of facts is not for you. Good luck

  68. Andrew Cheng says:

    Sorry kid. Go back to your house and play this game with your family if you don’t find kids in your block. Maybe kids in your block don’t want to play this game with you since you are such a loser.

  69. jfeise says:

    If I were a news reporter, you would probably see me on TV…
    But I don’t live in the Silly Valley. It is overrated, anyway.
    You, on the other hand, have essentially admitted that you are an ITU employee.
    As I said, game over. Better luck next time.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      LOL. You changed your name from JoeF to jfeise. Ashamed of your name now too eh? After being blasted so much. Hahah kid. You are funny.
      It’s still sunny outside kid. Go outside and play.

  70. Jes says:

    JoeF, hahaha its funny how you did not pay attention to Andrew’s statement when he said ” I have seen interns in the past in my past companies from prestigious state universities who never paid attention..”. And this statement was way before the “good new” line. Looks like you only pick what you want to ignore the rest.

  71. JoeF says:

    Jes, Andrew is an ITU employee.
    It is unlikely that he has worked much in other companies.
    As I said, he got busted.

  72. JoeF says:

    ITU will go down, just like other such frauds have gone down.
    I understand that ITU employees don’t like to hear that, but it still will happen.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Hey kid are you still around? Your friends are waiting around the block waiting for the loser to join them.

  73. Jes says:

    JoeF, so as per your assumptions, I am also an ITU employee since I stood by the fact they have adhered to the policies and doesn’t make them fraud.
    In that case I would love to be considered one. Facts are clear as presented here so I don’t hesitate to stand by it

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Jes, don’t make the kid cry now. He is in day care now and his parents have not even come to pick him up. And SoCal hot weather has taken a toll on his brain. Even if you hadn’t told him, he would have tagged you as a ITU student/employee. It was just a matter of time.
      Don’t you know how kids play? Once a team member is out, he cannot rejoin the game, Now our kid doesn’t want me to post anymore. LOL. Now he wants to play the game only with you, Sam and others.
      So don’t make him cry. His parents may come and complain. Ladies and Gentlemen, please spare the kid for god’s sake. He will grow into a mature well reasoned human being after this.

  74. Jes says:

    JoeF, even if he is an ITU employee, it doesn’t make any difference to the facts he presented here. They are all still valid. So being an ITU employee or not really doesn’t matter

  75. JoeF says:

    Jes, it does matter. His “facts” are all well-known talking points from these kinds of shady institutions.
    I’ve seen them all. And I am sure ICE also has seen them all.
    All the things I’ve said about CPT come from observation of actual actions by USCIS and ICE, as reported on different immigration forums. Abuse of CPT is real, by unaccredited and 4th-tier accredited institutions, and the authorities in fact do crack down on this. And ITU in the past has abused CPT. Now, they claim that they got better, but then, in late 2014, they fell back to their old habits. It has been fairly quiet in immigration forums in recent times as far as ITU is concerned, but it isn’t clear that they not again have fallen back to their old habits. ICE is known to use undercover agents (they did in the TVU and Herguan cases, and others), so it is likely that they found something bad happening recently.
    Andrew obviously has a vested interest in this, otherwise he wouldn’t have flooded this forum with his posts. That leads me to conclude that he either has a degree from ITU, is a student there, or is an employee of ITU.
    Usually, when these things surface, the only people defending the institution are students or staff of the institution.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      That exactly leads me to the same point that you too have some vested interest in this maybe to bring down a good university or maybe you think that Americans are losing jobs because of talented Asians coming to the Bay area and taking up jobs no matter whether it is with good companies or with consultancy jobs.
      Anyways kids go home and sleep. You are talking about a university which is accredited and comparing it against unaccredited universities. No use talking to you kid. When the actual facts come out as to what is the real reason for this Notice of Intent, you will know. Until then, play your games kid.
      And the facts I talked about are made up false claims like yours. Those are genuine facts I showed you on Government websites.
      So ITU is not a fraud. Case closed

    2. Andrew Cheng says:

      And moreover, talk some sense. Abusing CPT and doing things illegally would be approving CPT for more than 1 year. DHS says that you can do CPT for max 1 year and if you do more than that, you cannot apply for OPT. Students from other universities also have done CPT for 3 semesters. So is this called Abuse? Define what do you mean by CPT Abuse?

  76. JoeF says:

    The main issue with CPT is that it has to be an integral part of the curriculum. 8 CFR 214.2(f).
    That means it has to be a required internship, about the topics learned in class.
    That also means that it can never be with a staffing agency (or consulting company), because these agencies don’t have influence about what the person works on.
    That also is why CPT from day 1 is pretty much always fraudulent.
    As I said, read the law. The 1-year limit has never been an issue anywhere. CPT not being an integral part of the curriculum is the issue. And that’s where ITU and their ilk fail. That’s why ITU is a fraud.
    And when a student who used CPT this way is trying to get an H-1B, USCIS almost always nowadays denies the H1 petition, due to the person being out of status because of CPT abuse.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      JoeF, Why can’t a internship from a staffing agency who will make you work for a software client not considered an internship? Has DHS defined the place where the intern should work?
      Do you think the software client makes the student work in the cafeteria of their company? No right?
      The student does learn new software skills which are also part of the curriculum. So what’s your issue?

  77. JoeF says:

    And btw, my only interest is to help prevent getting people sucked in by these shady institutions.
    The foreign students suffer, they get ankle bracelets, they get deported, they can’t get an H-1B.
    And the students pay for the fancy cars and mansions of the institution’s upper management.
    Real universities have a mix of domestic and foreign students. Frauds and shady institutions like ITU only have foreign students, because no American would be caught dead signing up with such frauds.
    As I’ve said before, having SEVP approval is like a license to print money. And unfortunately, a bunch of unscrupulous institutions exploit it.
    See, e.g., this article from the Chronicle of Higher Education: http://www.chronicle.com/article/little-known-colleges-make/126822
    While it is to a large extent about TVU, ITU also featured prominently there.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      JoeF, Why can’t a internship from a staffing agency who will make you work for a software client not considered an internship? Has DHS defined the place where the intern should work?
      Do you think the software client makes the student work in the cafeteria of their company? No right?
      The student does learn new software skills which are also part of the curriculum. So what’s your issue?

  78. JoeF says:

    Andrew, are you really so dense?
    If a class is about database management, an internship in software development can pretty much by definition not be an integral part of the curriculum.
    Hence, using CPT for such an internship would be abuse of CPT. A staffing company would not accept a person who can only do an internship in certain specific areas.
    Real CPT works in a way that the university works with local companies, not staffing agencies, to place people in internships according to the requirements of the curriculum.
    And for summer internships, CPT is not the right thing anyway, because such things are not an integral part of the curriculum. That’s what pre-completion OPT is for.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      JoeF, its not about me being dense. It’s about you being uneducated about this.
      See as many profiles on Linkedin as you want. If a student who is doing Masters in Software engineering takes up a job in a client location through a staffing agency and does software coding, testing, database system design, that’s perfectly relevant, So what is even your issue?
      Have you come across any cases in ITU where a student pursuing a degree has taken up an internship in another field? Come on, have some sense

    2. Andrew Cheng says:

      If your definition of abuse of CPT is doing internship in a field other than what the student has studied in his curriculum, then I will give it to you in writing that it is case in all the universities. Are you seriously wanting me to testify on this? People will laugh at you buddy.
      Now, you also have issue with CPT and want Pre-OPT to be used. That’s hilarious.
      Stay with one topic and resolve it

    3. Andrew Cheng says:

      There are profiles from top universities where people from electrical engineering have taken up positions in big companies like Facebook, Google and did software development there since Software pays more than hardware jobs. So isn’t that a violation and an abuse of CPT accorind to your definition?

    4. Andrew Cheng says:

      I just now saw a profile in LinkedIn where a student in Computer Science took up an internship in Project Management in Intel. Isn’t that unrelated to what he is learning? Isn’t that an abuse of CPT?

  79. Andrew Cheng says:

    Also, before you even reply, read this from University of Dallas. it lists their way of approving CPT visa.

    http://www.udallas.edu/offices/iss/workintheus/employers.php

    Procedures

    Special Note:
    When an employment offer is made through placement companies, such as consulting firms or temp agencies, CPT can be authorized only when the client company is identified on the student’s internship application and employment details pertain to the actual work site.

    So what’s the issue with Staffing agencies internship as long as the client company for which the student will work for is disclosed?

  80. JoeF says:

    Andrew, that confirms what I’ve been saying.
    The actual work site has to be pre-determined and fixed. Staffing agencies don’t do that, because they send people to the next available position.
    Thanks for making my point.
    And now the free lessons about CPT stop. For more, you’d have to pay me.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      LOL. Seriously you are dumb. According to the rules, if the client location is changed, the student has to report back to the college DSO and get CPT I-20 modified with the new cleint location. So I don’t want your dumb lessons on CPT. I know my ground very well.
      You better meet the DSOs of various colleges and learn the rules from them

    2. Andrew Cheng says:

      And if the client location changes and the student doesn’t report, it is the fault of the student and not the university. So that proves that you have no knowledge in this area too.

    3. Andrew Cheng says:

      Read this too for your knowledge

      https://www.uc.edu/international/services/students/employment/cpt/faq.html

      Can I make changes to my CPT employment (such as change employers, locations, hours, dates, etc)?
      You are authorized to work with the company, at the location, during the dates stated clearly on page #3 of your I-20. If anything should change in any of the details, UC International Services will need to authorize such changes. For example, if you wish to work beyond the authorized period of employment, the employer is going to transfer you to another location, or you are going to work full-time instead of part-time, UC International Services will need to make these alterations to your authorization.

      So the university has to be informed by the student if there is change of employer. The university doesn’t magically get a dream about it.

  81. JoeF says:

    Andrew, pot calling kettle black. You were the one trying to discuss other things.
    CPT, pre-completion and post-completion OPT are all discussed in the same law section.
    Again, as I’ve said before, read the law!
    You would learn things. But I guess it is hopeless for you.
    For more educational posts from me you’d have to pay. I am done with giving free lectures.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Again if you are quoting the law, there are profiles from top universities where people from electrical engineering have taken up positions in big companies like Facebook, Google and did software development there since Software pays more than hardware jobs. So isn’t that a violation and an abuse of CPT according to your definition?
      Where is your law for them?

    2. Andrew Cheng says:

      And you were the one who did not read the law about CPT where DHS had specified that CPT can be granted in the first semester if needed. So please don’t teach me the law. LOL
      So no more law lessons for you too.

  82. Andrew Cheng says:

    I just now saw a profile in LinkedIn where a student in Computer Science took up an internship in Project Management in Intel. Isn’t that unrelated to what he is learning? Isn’t that an abuse of CPT?

  83. JoeF says:

    You are confused.
    The summer internships at Intel, MS, etc. have nothing to do with CPT.
    People get OPT, pre-completion OPT, for these internships. I have told you about that already, but you are obviously resistant clue-resistant.
    CPT is for internships which are an integral part of the curriculum. As I have told you already, THAT is the main requirement for CPT. CPT stands for Curricular Practical Training.
    OPT is Optional Practical Training.
    It really is so simple a caveman can understand it.
    ITU has given out CPT for internships that weren’t ian integral part of the curriculum. That’s CPT abuse. That’s really all there is to it.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      LOL. Seriously look at the linkedin profiles and check with anyone in your local university. I had an intern working for me until Aug and he came on CPT visa. Do you seriously know anything at all?

      People take up full time jobs with Pre-OPT and OPT. Sometimes long term Co-ops are done on Pre-OPT. But internships are always done on CPT. I did myself during my Masters degree from a prestigious university in the east coast. You seriously don’t know anything JoeF
      People in this group will laugh at you if you don’t stop this dumbness.

  84. JoeF says:

    That’s where you are wrong!
    I know people who had summer internships with MS, Intel, Google. They ALL used pre-completion OPT.
    THAt is what pre-completion OPT is for.
    Nobody in a real university uses CPT for summer internships. The international office makes sure of that.
    In real universities, summer internships are done with OPT.
    You claimed to be an SJSU alumnus. So, you went from a “prestigious university” at the East Coast to a state university?
    Usually, people do this the other way around.
    If is clear that you didn’t go to a prestigious university at the East Coast.
    Summer internships are done with pre-completion OPT. They have to, because such internships are not an integral part of the curriculum, they are optional. Hence OPT )for Optional Practical Training.)
    Again, it is so easy a caveman can understand it.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      JoeF, are you drunk? It was Sam who claimed to be an SJSU alumnus not me. Come to your senses first. Talking of SJSU, the intern was from SJSU who came on CPT visa. So please go and question SJSU administration as to why they sent him on CPT visa. And question all the hundreds of universities who give CPT visa for students for summer internship at software companies.

      I will give you more knowledge for free since I don’t charge from dumb people but want to improve their literacy on these topics. Read this

      https://iss.washington.edu/employment/f1-employment/cpt

      1. Andrew Cheng says:

        And FYI, my university back in the east coast did use CPT for my internship.

        So if you are a software engineer and are doing internship as a developer, QA analyst and any related role in a company or staffing agency, you are well within the bounds of the CPT requirements.

        Don’t spread your illiteracy here in this forum and in the US. Don’t become a laughing stock in this group

  85. Andrew Cheng says:

    And regarding your claim about ITU giving out CPT for positions weren’t an integral part of the curriculum, check the video again and see all the staffing companies who have hired these interns. If you want, also ask these companies the client locations where these students worked and you will find out that students pursuing degree in software engineering worked for software clients, students pursuing degree in management worked for management clients etc.

    I hope you will not again ask me the validity of staffing agencies for internship. I have already tutored you on that. I will be happy to answer any doubts again if necessary.

  86. JoeF says:

    Granted, it was Sam. But the same style of post, so it may still have been you, just with a different handle.
    It doesn’t matter what other companies/universities do. This is about ITU. If you have a beef with other universities, file a report with ICE.
    ITU is abusing CPT. That makes them a fraud.
    It really is THAT simple.
    Now get lost, troll. And learn things about F-1, CPT, and OPT. You need it.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      If ITU is fraud, according to your definition all universities are fraud. As simple as that. You need to go back to school and learn a lot of stuff.

      You have already become a big laughing stock in this group. You get lost idiot.

  87. JoeF says:

    And further, it is completely irrelevant what some university may have done way back before 9/11, or before the TVU raid.
    NOWADAYS this abuse of CPT has caught the attention of ICE (heck, ICE didn’t even exist before 9/11; back then INS did both enforcement and immigration approvals, as a unit of the DoJ.
    After 9/11, these tasks were separated into USCIS and ICE, and Border Control got merged into ICE, and both USCIS and ICE came under control of the new DHS.
    Anyway, right now, CPT abuse is targeted by ICE, and right now, they have ITU in their crosshairs, if you like it or not.
    Shooting the messenger doesn’t change that.
    ITU is doomed, that’s all that matters for me. And no amount of your whining changes that ITU is doomed. I enjoy your tears of despair. They show that ICE is doing something right.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Hahaha. You are one big troll idiot who doesn’t know that internships are done on CPT visa, what the rules of CPT visa are, what is real abuse of CPT. What more can you say except these mindless comments. You are now even saying that I am Sam. LOL. You are seriously an idiot.
      Good luck in your life bro

  88. JoeF says:

    LOL.
    Again, read the law.
    Summer internships can not be done with CPT. That’s right there in the law, because summer internships are not a part of the curriculum.
    And competent DSOs know that.
    Now, in the past, incompetent DSOs may have approved summer internships with CPT, and ICE for years had not enforced the rules. After all, ITU and similar frauds got away with it for years.
    But nowadays, the rules are enforced.
    Students on F-1 can do summer internships with pre-completion OPT. That’s what pre-completion OPT is for.
    No amount of you foaming at the mouth changes the law.
    CPT is Curricular Practical Training. Per law, it is only for training, like internships, that are an integral part of the curriculum. Summer internships generally don’t fall under that category, therefore, CPT for summer internships is not allowed. Summer internships have to be done with OPT. Period. End of story.
    Ask a competent immigration lawyer. You will find out that I am right.

  89. Andrew Cheng says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, JoeF’s achievements so far

    1) Claimed that ITU accreditation status is on Probation – Proved WRONG
    2) Claimed that students from ITU got killed and the ne particular student whom he claimed to have got killed in Texas is from ITU – Proved Wrong
    3) Claimed that CPT cannot be given in first semester – Proved WRONG (from DHS website proof)
    4) Claimed internship cannot be done through a staffing agency – Proved WRONG (as long as the staffing agency places you with a client in the same area of curriculum you can)
    5) Claimed that internship cannot be done on CPT visa – Biggest LOL claim. Everyone who I knew did it on CPT visa. Joe needs realy training here.
    6) Claimed that I am Sam and I am an ITU Student/Employee – Turns out I am not Sam, I am not an SJSU alumnus and I don’t belong to tITU. LOL LOL

    Keep your claims coming bro. I will destroy each one of them

  90. JoeF says:

    Another unprofessional post, with slang terms. It is hard to hide that you grew up in the projects, eh?

    You will eventually find out that I am right.
    Too bad for you that it will only happen after ITU is shut down.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Sorry buddy. Everyone in this group knows your achievements, your false claims and your dearth of knowledge in these areas. I just summarized all of your false claims LOL.
      We will find out in the near future.

  91. JoeF says:

    I am not your “buddy”. You still use inappropriate terms, first “dude”, then “bro”, now “buddy.” You should start growing up and stop using adolescent language.

    You will eventually find out that I am right.
    Too bad for you that it will only happen after ITU is shut down.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Sorry bruh. You will find out too that ITU is not a fraud. You have been exposed very badly in this group. Now go and cry like a baby. Good luck

    2. Andrew Cheng says:

      And thanks a lot for all the entertainment you have given in this group with your limited knowledge on these topics. We all had a good laugh

  92. JoeF says:

    You continue to show that you are an adolescent, living with yoour parents.

    You will eventually find out that I am right, that ITU is a fraud.
    Thanks for playing. Better luck next time.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Sorry bruh. You will find out too that ITU is not a fraud. You have been exposed very badly in this group. Now go and cry like a baby. Good luck
      And thanks a lot for all the entertainment you have given in this group with your limited knowledge on these topics. We all had a good laugh

  93. JoeF says:

    You still don’t get the hint. Use adult language.
    Until then, you don’t even have any business discussing any of this.

    Adults know that ITU is a fraud. You will find out that I am right when you have grown up.

  94. Andrew Cheng says:

    Sorry kid. You will find out too that ITU is not a fraud. You have been exposed very badly in this group. Now go and cry like a baby. Good luck
    And thanks a lot for all the entertainment you have given in this group with your limited knowledge on these topics. We all had a good laugh

  95. JoeF says:

    The only kid around here is you, as your use of adolescent language has shown.

    You don’t know anything about the laws regarding the F-1.
    Eventually you will learn. Have fun when ITU is shut down.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Sorry kid. I know you are finding it difficult to digest the fact that you have been exposed. Sorry for that. You will find out too that ITU is not a fraud. You have been exposed very badly in this group.
      And thanks a lot for all the entertainment you have given in this group with your limited knowledge on these topics. We all had a good laugh

  96. JoeF says:

    You using adolescent language disqualifies you for any discussion.
    Now get lost.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      I know you are finding it difficult to digest the fact that you have been exposed. Sorry for that. You will find out too that ITU is not a fraud. You have been exposed very badly in this group.
      And thanks a lot for all the entertainment you have given in this group.
      Get the hell outta here before more laughs

  97. JoeF says:

    The adolescent Andrew posted something irrelevant.
    Eventually you will find out that I have been right.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Don’t act like a kid now. You are exposed very badly and all your claims have been proved false. People in this forum have also mentioned that you have really no idea about what you are talking. You are out of your mind. So get the hell outta here and go back to work

  98. JoeF says:

    The only one acting like a kid is you. Your use of adolescent language is a dead giveaway.
    Eventually, when you have grown up, you will find out that I have been right, that ITU is a fraud.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Again Don’t act like a kid now. You are exposed very badly and all your claims have been proved false. People in this forum have also mentioned that you have really no idea about what you are talking. You are out of your mind. So get the hell outta here and go back to work

  99. JoeF says:

    The only one acting like a kid is you. Your use of adolescent language is a dead giveaway.
    Eventually, when you have grown up, you will find out that I have been right.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Again Don’t act like a kid now. You are exposed very badly and all your claims have been proved false. People in this forum have also mentioned that you have really no idea about what you are talking. You are out of your mind. So get the hell outta here and go back to work

  100. JoeF says:

    The only one acting like a kid is you. Your use of adolescent language is a dead giveaway.
    When you have grown up you will find out that I have been right.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Hey loser, get lost and go back to the group where you exposed TVU. You will not find me there and can make your false claims without any worry. Hope you will share the knowledge about CPT, OPT visas that I taught you here.

  101. JoeF says:

    More use of adolescent language. Thanks for showing that you are the immature kid around here.
    When you have grown up you will find out that I have been right.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Hey loser, get lost and go back to the group where you exposed TVU. You will not find me there and can make your false claims without any worry. Hope you will share the knowledge about CPT, OPT visas that I taught you here. Now go back to your mama kid.

  102. JoeF says:

    More use of adolescent language. Thanks for showing that you are the immature kid around here.
    Once you have grown up you will find out that I have been right.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      You will get dreams from now about how bad you were exposed in this group. With very little knowledge, one achieves nothing and get exposed like yourself in such forums. You are a blatant proof of that. So go back and talk to some people and learn something in life. Don’t keep poking like a kid
      Atleast spend your time in reading about F1 visa, CPT, OPT rules. Call DHS and ask them the rules. Ohh wait, according to you DHS is also a fraud. LOL.

  103. JoeF says:

    The only one acting like a kid is you. Your use of adolescent language is a dead giveaway.
    When you have grown up you will find out that I have been right. ITU is a fraud.

  104. Andrew Cheng says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, JoeF’s achievements so far

    1) Claimed that ITU accreditation status is on Probation – Proved WRONG
    2) Claimed that students from ITU got killed and the ne particular student whom he claimed to have got killed in Texas is from ITU – Proved Wrong
    3) Claimed that CPT cannot be given in first semester – Proved WRONG (from DHS website proof)
    4) Claimed internship cannot be done through a staffing agency – Proved WRONG (as long as the staffing agency places you with a client in the same area of curriculum you can)
    5) Claimed that internship cannot be done on CPT visa – Biggest LOL claim. Proved WRONG Everyone who I knew did it on CPT visa.
    6) Claimed that I am Sam and I am an ITU Student/Employee – Turns out I am not Sam, I am not an SJSU alumnus and I don’t belong to tITU.

  105. JoeF says:

    The only one acting like a kid is you. Your use of adolescent language is a dead giveaway.
    When you have grown up you will find out that I have been right. ITU has been a fraud from the beginning.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Ladies and Gentlemen, JoeF’s achievements so far

      1) Claimed that ITU accreditation status is on Probation – Proved WRONG
      2) Claimed that students from ITU got killed and the ne particular student whom he claimed to have got killed in Texas is from ITU – Proved Wrong
      3) Claimed that CPT cannot be given in first semester – Proved WRONG (from DHS website proof)
      4) Claimed internship cannot be done through a staffing agency – Proved WRONG (as long as the staffing agency places you with a client in the same area of curriculum you can)
      5) Claimed that internship cannot be done on CPT visa – Biggest LOL claim. Proved WRONG Everyone who I knew did it on CPT visa.
      6) Claimed that I am Sam and I am an ITU Student/Employee – Turns out I am not Sam, I am not an SJSU alumnus and I don’t belong to tITU

  106. JoeF says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, with Andrew, we have an adolescent who still lives with his parents trying to discuss things he knows nothing about.
    He will find out eventually that I am right.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Everybody have commented on your ignorance JoeF. So you have proved yourself wrong for every claim of yours. Thank you for that.

  107. Andrew Cheng says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, JoeF’s achievements so far

    1) Claimed that ITU accreditation status is on Probation – Proved WRONG
    2) Claimed that students from ITU got killed and the ne particular student whom he claimed to have got killed in Texas is from ITU – Proved Wrong
    3) Claimed that CPT cannot be given in first semester – Proved WRONG (from DHS website proof)
    4) Claimed internship cannot be done through a staffing agency – Proved WRONG (as long as the staffing agency places you with a client in the same area of curriculum you can)
    5) Claimed that internship cannot be done on CPT visa – Biggest LOL claim. Proved WRONG Everyone who I knew did it on CPT visa.
    6) Claimed that I am Sam and I am an ITU Student/Employee – Turns out I am not Sam, I am not an SJSU alumnus and I don’t belong to tITU

  108. JoeF says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, with Andrew, we have an adolescent who still lives with his parents trying to discuss things he knows nothing about. He obviously recently got a entry-level job with ITU, and tries to defend the indefensible.

    When he has grown up he will find out that I have been correct.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Everybody have commented on your ignorance JoeF. So you have proved yourself wrong for every claim of yours. Thank you for that.

  109. Andrew Cheng says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, JoeF’s achievements so far
    1) Claimed that ITU accreditation status is on Probation – Proved WRONG
    2) Claimed that students from ITU got killed and the ne particular student whom he claimed to have got killed in Texas is from ITU – Proved Wrong
    3) Claimed that CPT cannot be given in first semester – Proved WRONG (from DHS website proof)
    4) Claimed internship cannot be done through a staffing agency – Proved WRONG (as long as the staffing agency places you with a client in the same area of curriculum you can)
    5) Claimed that internship cannot be done on CPT visa – Biggest LOL claim. Proved WRONG Everyone who I knew did it on CPT visa.
    6) Claimed that I am Sam and I am an ITU Student/Employee – Turns out I am not Sam, I am not an SJSU alumnus and I don’t belong to ITU
    This proves that he knows nothing he is talking about. Everybody on this forum knows that he has no idea what he is talking about.

  110. JoeF says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, with Andrew, we have an adolescent who still lives with his parents trying to discuss things he knows nothing about. He obviously recently got a entry-level job with ITU, and tries to defend the indefensible, flooding this thread with falsehoods in the process. Typical adolescent behavior.

    When he has grown up he will find out that I have been correct.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Ladies and Gentlemen, JoeF’s achievements so far
      1) Claimed that ITU accreditation status is on Probation – Proved WRONG
      2) Claimed that students from ITU got killed and the ne particular student whom he claimed to have got killed in Texas is from ITU – Proved Wrong
      3) Claimed that CPT cannot be given in first semester – Proved WRONG (from DHS website proof)
      4) Claimed internship cannot be done through a staffing agency – Proved WRONG (as long as the staffing agency places you with a client in the same area of curriculum you can)
      5) Claimed that internship cannot be done on CPT visa – Biggest LOL claim. Proved WRONG Everyone who I knew did it on CPT visa.
      6) Claimed that I am Sam and I am an ITU Student/Employee – Turns out I am not Sam, I am not an SJSU alumnus and I don’t belong to ITU
      This proves that he knows nothing he is talking about. Everybody on this forum knows that he has no idea what he is talking about.

    2. Andrew Cheng says:

      JoeF, if you have the guts, prove me wrong on all of the above false claims that you have made

    3. Andrew Cheng says:

      Atleast I am an adolescent. You are a crying baby. LOL

  111. JoeF says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, with Andrew, we have an adolescent who still lives with his parents trying to discuss things he knows nothing about. He obviously recently got a entry-level job with ITU, and tries to defend the indefensible, flooding this thread with falsehoods. And he now admits to being an adolescent.
    He eventually will grow up and find out I have been right. After he loses his job with the fraud ITU, of course.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      JoeF, if you have the guts, prove me wrong on all of the above false claims that you have made. Atleast I am an adolescent. You are a crying baby not able to prove your false claims. LOL

    2. Andrew Cheng says:

      Keep crying dear baby. Your mom will come soon to pick you up from the day care. LOL
      Ladies and Gentlemen, JoeF is one of the guys who got fired by ITU before it made its reforms. He was the one who was cheating people and making money for himself. He is a fraud

  112. JoeF says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, with Andrew, we have an adolescent who still lives with his parents trying to discuss things he knows nothing about. He obviously recently got a entry-level job with ITU, and tries to defend the indefensible, flooding this thread with falsehoods.
    He eventually will grow up and find out I have been right. After he loses his job with the fraud ITU, of course.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Ladies and Gentlemen, JoeF’s achievements so far
      1) Claimed that ITU accreditation status is on Probation – Proved WRONG
      2) Claimed that students from ITU got killed and the ne particular student whom he claimed to have got killed in Texas is from ITU – Proved Wrong
      3) Claimed that CPT cannot be given in first semester – Proved WRONG (from DHS website proof)
      4) Claimed internship cannot be done through a staffing agency – Proved WRONG (as long as the staffing agency places you with a client in the same area of curriculum you can)
      5) Claimed that internship cannot be done on CPT visa – Biggest LOL claim. Proved WRONG Everyone who I knew did it on CPT visa.
      6) Claimed that I am Sam and I am an ITU Student/Employee – Turns out I am not Sam, I am not an SJSU alumnus and I don’t belong to ITU
      This proves that he knows nothing he is talking about. Everybody on this forum knows that he has no idea what he is talking about.
      JoeF is one of the guys who got fired by ITU before it made its reforms. He was the one who was cheating people and making money for himself. He is a fraud

  113. JoeF says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, with Andrew, we have an adolescent who still lives with his parents trying to discuss things he knows nothing about. He obviously recently got a entry-level job with ITU, and tries to defend the indefensible, flooding this thread with falsehoods.
    ITU is a fraud, despite the adolescent’s desperate attempts to muddle the issue.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Ladies and Gentlemen, JoeF’s achievements so far
      1) Claimed that ITU accreditation status is on Probation – Proved WRONG
      2) Claimed that students from ITU got killed and the ne particular student whom he claimed to have got killed in Texas is from ITU – Proved Wrong
      3) Claimed that CPT cannot be given in first semester – Proved WRONG (from DHS website proof)
      4) Claimed internship cannot be done through a staffing agency – Proved WRONG (as long as the staffing agency places you with a client in the same area of curriculum you can)
      5) Claimed that internship cannot be done on CPT visa – Biggest LOL claim. Proved WRONG Everyone who I knew did it on CPT visa.
      6) Claimed that I am Sam and I am an ITU Student/Employee – Turns out I am not Sam, I am not an SJSU alumnus and I don’t belong to ITU
      This proves that he knows nothing he is talking about. Everybody on this forum knows that he has no idea what he is talking about.
      JoeF is one of the guys who got fired by ITU before it made its reforms. He was the one who was cheating people and making money for himself. He is a fraud

  114. JoeF says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, with Andrew, we have an adolescent who still lives with his parents trying to discuss things he knows nothing about. He obviously recently got a entry-level job with ITU, and tries to defend the indefensible, flooding this thread with falsehoods.
    ITU is a fraud, despite Andrew’s desperate attempts to muddle the issue. His desperation clearly shows in each of his posts.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Ladies and Gentlemen, JoeF’s achievements so far
      1) Claimed that ITU accreditation status is on Probation – Proved WRONG
      2) Claimed that students from ITU got killed and the ne particular student whom he claimed to have got killed in Texas is from ITU – Proved Wrong
      3) Claimed that CPT cannot be given in first semester – Proved WRONG (from DHS website proof)
      4) Claimed internship cannot be done through a staffing agency – Proved WRONG (as long as the staffing agency places you with a client in the same area of curriculum you can)
      5) Claimed that internship cannot be done on CPT visa – Biggest LOL claim. Proved WRONG Everyone who I knew did it on CPT visa.
      6) Claimed that I am Sam and I am an ITU Student/Employee – Turns out I am not Sam, I am not an SJSU alumnus and I don’t belong to ITU
      This proves that he knows nothing he is talking about. Everybody on this forum knows that he has no idea what he is talking about.
      JoeF is one of the guys who got fired by ITU before it made its reforms. He was the one who was cheating people and making money for himself. He is a fraud

      Reply

  115. JoeF says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, with Andrew, we have an adolescent who still lives with his parents trying to discuss things he knows nothing about. He obviously recently got a entry-level job with ITU, and tries to defend the indefensible, flooding this thread with falsehoods.
    Andrew’s desperation clearly shows in each of his posts.

  116. Akshay B says:

    I had one question. Did ITU loose the SEVIS Status ? because the DHS website still has ITU listed in the SEVIS Program for F1 Visa.(https://studyinthestates.dhs.gov/certified-school/15408) The news report states that a petition of Intention to withdraw from SEVIS has been filled. Does anyone have knowledge of the current status of ITU ?

    1. JoeF says:

      Not sure if my earlier answer went through. It hasn’t shown up yet…

      Anyway, ITU hasn’t lost SEVP yet.
      There is due process, they have 30 days to respond to the letter of intent to withdraw. The law reference is 8 CFR 214.4.
      After the 30 days, ICE will make a decision, which can be appealed within 15 days.

      1. Andrew Cheng says:

        ITU will not shut down. Case closed.

      2. JoeF says:

        Andrew, that is a decision that ICE will make, not you.
        The process is very clear. If ITU doesn’t respond within 30 days, they lose SEVP approval (which is the basis for their business model.) If they admit the violations, they lose SEVP approval. If they deny it, they will have to provide actual evidence. If they can’t rebut the NOIW, they lose SEVP approval.
        It is all really simple, and laid out in the law. No reason to get all upset. It follows the rule of law.

  117. Grant says:

    After reading all the comments, I don’t see any sound reasoning from JoeF. He can’t even understand the laws and regulations, but merely repeating his false accusations(and typos of course). Are you the reporter, JoeF? What makes you so mad that you keep posting the same report year after year? You live in LA but know everything about education at Silicon Valley?And SEVIS regulations? And staffing agencies hiring students for internship? And all related news about ITU? I admired your persistence, but repetition failed to impress me.

    1. JoeF says:

      LOL. What part of the law are you failing to understand? You obviously haven’t even read the law.
      And repeating BS like the stuff about me “being the reporter” disqualifies you from any discussion, anyway.
      And what did I “post year after year”? You obviously have a vivid imagination.
      And where do you get that I live in LA? Yet another figment of your imagination.
      Further, SEVIS, the F-1, and all rules associated with that are federal law. It has nothing to do with Silly Valley. Look up where federal law applies…
      Nice try, but no cigar. Better luck next time.

  118. Andrew Cheng says:

    JoeF is a big fraud in this group. As I have been exposing him all this while, he doesn’t have any reply to all the false claims of his that I have proved wrong.

    As I have summarized earlier, JoeF’s following false claims have been proved WRONG
    1) Claimed that ITU accreditation status is on Probation – Proved WRONG
    2) Claimed that students from ITU got killed and the ne particular student whom he claimed to have got killed in Texas is from ITU – Proved Wrong
    3) Claimed that CPT cannot be given in first semester – Proved WRONG (from DHS website proof)
    4) Claimed internship cannot be done through a staffing agency – Proved WRONG (as long as the staffing agency places you with a client in the same area of curriculum you can)
    5) Claimed that internship cannot be done on CPT visa – Biggest LOL claim. Proved WRONG Everyone who I knew did it on CPT visa.
    6) Claimed that I am Sam and I am an ITU Student/Employee – Turns out I am not Sam, I am not an SJSU alumnus and I don’t belong to ITU
    This proves that he knows nothing he is talking about.

    JoeF time to get lost

  119. Andrew Cheng says:

    For everyone’s knowledge, a school/university has to get re certified every 2 years. More information can be read on this link below

    https://studyinthestates.dhs.gov/how-to-file-for-recertification

  120. Andrew Cheng says:

    NOIW – Notice of Intent to Withdraw: This is sent to a school via SEVIS once it enters the 30 day window leading up to the certification expiration date (CED) if the school has not successfully submitted a complete package.

    https://studyinthestates.dhs.gov/notices

  121. Andrew Cheng says:

    Sorry guys not able to post all of this in one message, It is not getting posted

  122. Andrew Cheng says:

    So NOIW that ITU has received just means that they have 30 days to submit the entire package which they might already done. JoeF here is a past employee of ITU who got fired because of his illegal activities and that’s the reason he knows the process and might have some internal accomplice of his still working at ITU who is giving him information. So when his accomplice told him that ITU has got NOIW, he wanted to make a big issue of it and reported it to the NEWS channel saying that DHS wants to shut down ITU.
    The ground reality is that it’s just one simple notice that’s part and parcel of re-certification step

  123. Andrew Cheng says:

    Only a reporter gets so mad and hurt when his news get proven wrong by people who actually know the rules. It’s so evident from Joe’s responses. When the ITU news will come out and it turns out to be a hoax news from this Joe reporter, KPIX will fire him too. So I can understand his frustration.

  124. JoeF says:

    The real rule about NOIW:
    https://www.ice.gov/sevis/schools/reg#2144
    (b) Withdrawal on notice. SEVP will initiate an out-of-cycle review and serve the school with an NOIW if SEVP has information that a school or school system may no longer be entitled to SEVP certification prior to the school being due for its two-year recertification. The NOIW will inform the school of:
    (1) The grounds for withdrawing SEVP certification.

  125. JoeF says:

    Talking about obsession: Mister low-level ITU employee, Andrew, has nothing better to do than posting a bunch of BS in the middle of the night, clos to 1am.
    I am sure his employer is impressed with his determination.
    Of course, he is, as usual, wrong.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      JoeF you have been exposed in this group and have been proved as a fraud. I can feel your pain as a reporter who is not able to digest the fact that his news is wrong. So nobody will believe you anymore on this group. You have just been making false claims

  126. JoeF says:

    It is always nice to see people like Andrew losing it.
    Shows quite nicely that I am doing the right thing.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      JoeF there is no need for me to prove you wrong. Everyone here feels you are a big FRAUD.
      As I said, I can feel your pain as a reporter who is not able to digest the fact that his news is wrong. Your just taking revenge against ITU for firing you for your illegal activities there.

  127. JoeF says:

    It is always fun to see people like Andrew losing it.
    His rants show that I am right. Couldn’t have a better confirmation.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      JoeF there is no need for me to prove you wrong. Everyone here feels you are a big FRAUD.
      As I said, I can feel your pain as a reporter who is not able to digest the fact that his news is wrong. Your just taking revenge against ITU for firing you for your illegal activities there.

  128. JoeF says:

    It is fun to see Andrew completely losing it.
    He took the bait, and his responses scream ‘guilty’.
    Great confirmation! Well done, Andrew!

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Sorry JoeF. I can sense your frustration and disappointment. Don’t worry. It happens in life. Now instead of wasting time on this go and find some genuine news to report to the news channel.

      If you have seen the movie Nightcrawler (Jake Gyllenhaal as Louis “Lou” Bloom), the actor wanted to make hot news for the channel and at the end he turned out to use criminal ways. Don’t become one such guy. Report genuine news to the channel and do some good to the society

  129. Andrew Cheng says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, please spare our friend Joe. He might lose his reporter job because of us since we proved him wrong on everything. But we did a good social job by exposing such fraudulent people in the community.

  130. Andrew Cheng says:

    Joe, did you give bribe to ICE too? They leaked the news to you and to KPIX before they published anything on their website. Maybe the govt should do an investigation on KPIX and you.

  131. Andrew Cheng says:

    Because if you indeed got the news from ICE by bribing, you should have also taken the effort to understand what a NOIW in this case meant. Maybe you didn’t even had the intellectual capability to do that. As I said, you are too kiddish

  132. JoeF says:

    It is fun to see Andrew completely losing it.
    His rants scream ‘guilty’.
    Great confirmation! Well done, Andrew!

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Sorry JoeF. I can sense your frustration and disappointment. Don’t worry. It happens in life. Now instead of wasting time on this go and find some genuine news to report to the news channel.

  133. JoeF says:

    It is fun to see Andrew completely losing it, and just screaming ‘guilty’ all the time.
    Great confirmation! Well done, Andrew! I’m sure your employer ITU is proud of you.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Sorry JoeF. I can sense your frustration and disappointment. Don’t worry. It happens in life. Now instead of wasting time on this go and find some genuine news to report to the news channel.

  134. JoeF says:

    I feel sorry for you. It must be hard to listen to the voices in your head.
    But it is still fun to see you scream ‘guilty’ so obviously.
    Well done, Andrew! Have you gotten that demotion from ITU already?

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Sorry JoeF. I can sense your frustration and disappointment. Don’t worry. It happens in life. Now instead of wasting time on this go and find some genuine news to report to the news channel.

  135. JoeF says:

    Still talking to yourself, eh?
    The voices in your head won’t stop, eh?
    But it is still fun to see you scream ‘guilty’ so obviously.
    Well done, Andrew! Have you gotten that demotion from ITU already?

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Sorry JoeF. I can sense your frustration and disappointment. Don’t worry. It happens in life. Now instead of wasting time on this go and find some genuine news to report to the news channel.

  136. JoeF says:

    Gee, you’re still talking to yourself?
    The voices in your head won’t stop, eh?
    But it is still fun to see you scream ‘guilty’ so obviously.
    Well done, Andrew! Have you gotten that demotion from ITU already?

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Sorry JoeF. I can sense your frustration and disappointment. Don’t worry. It happens in life. Now instead of wasting time on this go and find some genuine news to report to the news channel.

  137. JoeF says:

    Are you still speaking to yourself?
    I thought your parents had taken away your computer by now.
    But it is still fun to see you scream ‘guilty’ so obviously.
    Well done, Andrew! Have you gotten that demotion from ITU already?

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Sorry JoeF. I can sense your frustration and disappointment. Don’t worry. It happens in life. Now instead of wasting time on this go and find some genuine news to report to the news channel.

  138. JoeF says:

    Are you still speaking to yourself? You obviously need medical attention.
    I thought your parents had taken away your computer by now.
    But it is still fun to see you scream ‘guilty’ so obviously.
    Well done, Andrew! Have you gotten that demotion from ITU already?

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Sorry JoeF. I can sense your frustration and disappointment. Don’t worry. It happens in life. Now instead of wasting time on this go and find some genuine news to report to the news channel.

  139. JoeF says:

    Our resident troll Andrew is back, after having been grounded for the weekend.
    It continues to be fun to see him scream “guilty” all the time.
    Each one of his posts confirms that ITU is a fraud.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Everyone knows you are crazy and need mental rehabilitation buddy. So before everybody mocks you again and you become a laughing stock again, leave with respect. And go back to your parents and learn how to lead life in a proper way again. Staying out of the house has taught you nothing.

    2. Andrew Cheng says:

      I was busy over the weekend searching for a good mental correction facility for you LOL

  140. JoeF says:

    Our resident troll Andrew is back, after having been grounded for the weekend.
    It continues to be fun to see him scream “guilty” all the time.
    Each one of his posts confirms that ITU is a fraud. Well done, Andrew!

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Everyone knows you are crazy and need mental rehabilitation buddy. So before everybody mocks you again and you become a laughing stock again, leave with respect. And go back to your parents and learn how to lead life in a proper way again. Staying out of the house has taught you nothing.

  141. JoeF says:

    Our resident troll Andrew is back, after having been grounded for the weekend.
    It continues to be fun to see him scream “guilty” all the time.
    Each one of his posts confirms that ITU is a fraud that will be shut down soon. Well done, Andrew!

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Everyone knows you are crazy and need mental rehabilitation buddy. So before everybody mocks you again and you become a laughing stock again, leave with respect. And go back to your parents and learn how to lead life in a proper way again. Staying out of the house has taught you nothing.

  142. JoeF says:

    Earlier, you posted: “NOIW – Notice of Intent to Withdraw: This is sent to a school via SEVIS once it enters the 30 day window leading up to the certification expiration date (CED) if the school has not successfully submitted a complete package.”
    Which would mean that ITU hasn’t filed the recert paperwork despite being informed 180 days before expiration. Unlikely, unless they are incompetent.
    Occam’s Razor means that ICE revoking their SEVP cert due to violations is more likely.
    Of course, ITU/Andrew doesn’t want to have this talked about. They are going down.

  143. JoeF says:

    News flash: the SEVP approval of another fraud “university” in San Jose was revoked today:
    http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/06/feds-revoke-student-visas-to-silicon-valleys-herguan-university/

    ICE is clearly cracking down on these frauds.
    ITU is next.
    Andrew, I feel sorry for you. You tried soo hard. But facts are stronger.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      Joe you really don’t get the facts right here. I am disappointed that you are so blind to the developments. You are free to call up SEVIS and ask about ITU’s current certification status and if they have got any NOIW. You will be surprised!!

  144. JoeF says:

    Andrew, I am sure Herguan Representatives would have said the same thing, right up to yesterday’s developments.
    ITU’s SEVP revocation is next. ITU is toast. You are toast.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      JoeF have some guts and call SEVIS to find out the truth. I pity you. I know you have worked hard as a reporter to shut down ITU but sad to say it was a flop attempt. Now get onto some other reports. May be report about the election coming up?

  145. JoeF says:

    Andrew, I asked you before, are you really that dense???
    You apparently don’t understand US privacy laws.
    ICE will not tell these things to some arbitrary caller.
    You really need to grow up.
    ICE will put out a press release once they revoke ITU’s SEVP approval, just as they did with Herguan’s SEVP approval.
    Your posts show that you are rerally desperate. They show that I am right, that ITU is going down.

    1. Andrew Cheng says:

      I understand your frustration JoeF. Don’t worry you will be proved wrong soon. I am sorry that you may have to lose your job at the news channel. Forward me your resume I will get you a better job at my software company.

  146. JoeF says:

    You have been silent for days. Has ITU stopped paying you for trolling?

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